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Destoyed bible passages?

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posted on Dec, 22 2003 @ 02:52 AM
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If there's one thing that keeps me semi-believing in God, or some kind of being.. it's those 'destroyed' or lost bible passages that i've heard about. Can someone tell me about them? I don't exactly know what to search for. Someone with knowledge tell me about these..

I mean, If God isn't real, or Jesus, or whatever.. why would there be old Bible passages discovered and destroyed by the Vatican? It doesn't really make sense to me..



posted on Dec, 22 2003 @ 03:01 AM
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You mean the apocrypha?



posted on Dec, 22 2003 @ 03:05 AM
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The TALMUD, the Torah and The sefer sefiroth.

Before to be wrote, the jewish hold the biblic tales orally, transmitted from father to son.

Of course, the roman bible (the old testament) is not complete...only the jews have the complete texts, in the original language (hebrew).



posted on Dec, 22 2003 @ 03:06 AM
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I really have no idea what I mean.. but the Passage mentioned at the end of "Stigmata" that I believe said it was destroyed, or one mentioned on the TV Special about the Da Vinci Code.. I don't know any names at all..



posted on Dec, 22 2003 @ 03:11 AM
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I just went to post something about the vatican secret archives :

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Dec, 22 2003 @ 03:12 AM
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Ok, I mean GOSPELS missing.. just got a name from IMDB after looking up Stigmata.. stuff like the Gospel of Thomas.. stuff like that.



posted on Dec, 22 2003 @ 03:17 AM
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Zodiac,
I don't believe any books or passages have been 'destroyed'....more like removed, taken out, hidden, put away, was not needed to be included.
Why?
I can't say and am not willing to give a subjective satisfactory answer. There is much written about this and still remains debated, somewhat.
Stigmata was a movie and to take, out of context, something claimed and then applying it to real world is not totally wise.

The Apocrypha are the books that were left out the Canonical Bible, as Mycroft mentioned.
The Tanakh is the Hebrew Bible.
Link:
www.sacred-texts.com...



regards
seekerof



posted on Dec, 22 2003 @ 03:20 AM
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Ah, okay.. i'm just not really knowledgable about this stuff, and want to know more about it..

I was just saying that stuff about the Gospel of Thomas because I recall at the end of the movie it said some stuff about it.



posted on Dec, 22 2003 @ 04:40 AM
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Zodiac, "Stigmata" is just a movie. And they're not talking about a so-called hidden Bible passage. In the movie, they are talking about a new Evangile, who has been wrote by Jesus Himself.

As for the Bible, some parts have been removed by the Catholic Church. I remember one. That part was talking about reincarnation and has been removed for a control purpose over the peoples.



posted on Dec, 22 2003 @ 05:26 AM
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Originally posted by Zodiac
Ah, okay.. i'm just not really knowledgable about this stuff, and want to know more about it..

zodiac.....did ya find what you were looking for? if those links did'nt help i have more. thomas is very interesting , so is enoch......keep asking questions!!!!!!



posted on Dec, 22 2003 @ 05:33 AM
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Zodiac do you know why they are burnt, because they don't fit in the religion as the Vatican says it is.

Gospel of Thomas

Look at number 59 for example.

Well this one is still there, but the other ones are burnt because they are just like this one, they don't fit in the interpretation as the Vatican has of God.



posted on Dec, 22 2003 @ 05:53 AM
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There's some interesting stuff in the following article, IMHO.

bric.users.ftech.net...



posted on Dec, 22 2003 @ 08:51 AM
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Although most Gnostics considered themselves Christians, some sects assimilated only minor Christian elements into a body of non-Christian Gnostic texts. The Christian Gnostics refused to identify the God of the New Testament, the father of Jesus, with the God of the Old Testament, and they developed an unorthodox interpretation of Jesus' ministry. The Gnostics wrote apocryphal Gospels (such as the Gospel of Thomas and the Gospel of Mary) to substantiate their claim that the risen Jesus told his disciples the true, Gnostic interpretation of his teachings: Christ, the divine spirit, inhabited the body of the man Jesus and did not die on the cross but ascended to the divine realm from which he had come. The Gnostics thus rejected the atoning suffering and death of Christ and the resurrection of the body. They also rejected other literal and traditional interpretations of the Gospels.



"Gnosticism." Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia 2001. © 1993-2000 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.



posted on Dec, 22 2003 @ 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by Maddas
Although most Gnostics considered themselves Christians, some sects assimilated only minor Christian elements into a body of non-Christian Gnostic texts. The Christian Gnostics refused to identify the God of the New Testament, the father of Jesus, with the God of the Old Testament, and they developed an unorthodox interpretation of Jesus' ministry. The Gnostics wrote apocryphal Gospels (such as the Gospel of Thomas and the Gospel of Mary) to substantiate their claim that the risen Jesus told his disciples the true, Gnostic interpretation of his teachings: Christ, the divine spirit, inhabited the body of the man Jesus and did not die on the cross but ascended to the divine realm from which he had come. The Gnostics thus rejected the atoning suffering and death of Christ and the resurrection of the body. They also rejected other literal and traditional interpretations of the Gospels.



"Gnosticism." Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia 2001. © 1993-2000 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.


Is the Gospel of St Thomas really Gnostic?

It all depends on what you mean by Gnostic. If you mean by Gnostic the belief that people have a divine capacity within themselves and that they can come to understand that the Kingdom of God is already upon the earth if they can come to perceive the world that way then Thomas is Gnostic. But if you mean by Gnostic the religion upon which the Nag Hammadi texts are based, a religion that differentiates the god of this world (who is the Jewish god) from a higher more abstract God, a religion that regards this world as the creation of a series of evil archons/powers who wish to keep the human soul trapped in an evil physical body then no, Thomas is not Gnostic. This differentiation is very important, because some scholars reason that if Thomas is Gnostic (in the first sense) then it is Gnostic (in the second sense) and, as they believe,Gnosticism (in the second sense) is a second or third century heresy, they conclude that the Gospel of Thomas is heretical, late in date, and without very much historical value in regard to Jesus of Nazareth.



posted on Dec, 22 2003 @ 09:42 AM
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That message at the end of the movie is just the director, writer etc trying to deliver a message to the public. But apparently a movie isn't the right media to use to give a message to the public, because as some poster here have said. It's just a movie.



What they're talking about at the end of that movie is the dead sea scrolls, which were found at Nag Hammadi. Which is very real.

Verse 3 in the gospel of thomas alone can be a reason for the vatican to keep it hidden and undislosed. There are hundreds of millions of christians (or more than a billion) who have never heard of the gospel of thomas.



posted on Dec, 22 2003 @ 10:02 AM
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Depending on which Bible you read, there are differences in the texts. It all has to do with the translators... there's several verses where the Torah says something and the Bible has clearly been rewritten to conform to Christian beliefs.

And then there's the different Bibles with different books kept in and tossed out (the Apocrypha and so forth.)

Even the gospels themselves show a lot of differences that point to information being added to the story of Jesus:
www.infidels.org...

Scholars have a lot of the gnostic material available for study; as someone said, the reason it was suppressed is that their religious views didn't jive with what the Jews and the Christians wanted taught: that the world was actually created by Satan and the deity that the Christians and Jews call God is actually a being of evil and that Sophia (wisdom) created the universe and everything we've been taught by the God of Lies is wrong.

...and as you can imagine, this didn't sit well with the Christians and Jews.



posted on Dec, 22 2003 @ 10:07 AM
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Those that 'co-worshiped' Mary Magdelene as the feminine earthly inspiration of Jesus were around before the first book of the New Testament was even written.

Or so they say. In my opinion, which is admittedly Gnostic sympathetic, the Roman Catholic version of the life of Jesus that he never sinned (or more importantly) that he never had carnal knowledge of MM is a day late, a dollar short, and REVISIONIST of a reality that the GNOSTICS KNEW FIRSTHAND.



posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 11:49 AM
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Jesus was a minister and a rabbi. Historians have found that ministers of the Jewish faith always kept a journal or history of their ministry. This was simply common practice. Where are the writings of Jesus? That's what I'd like to read. And the book of Mary? And the complete gospel according to Luke, accounts of the humanity of Jesus?

Also see Apocrypha, The

what silly mortals we be


ME

posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 12:13 PM
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Also see: The Books of Enoch. The early christians read from them as if they were the Bible. But the RCC denys their authenticity.

What is funny is they say they are Apocrypha, but so were all the books/writtings before they decided what should and shouldn't go into the canon/bible.



posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by TheBandit795
What they're talking about at the end of that movie is the dead sea scrolls, which were found at Nag Hammadi. Which is very real.


Actually the Dead Sea scrolls were found, guess were, Qumran, by the Dead Sea.
Dead Sea Scrolls Intro



However, the Nag hammadi library was found in Nag Hammadi, Egypt.
en.wikipedia.org...
Nag Hammadi Library





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