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Shocking Immigration Article -- What Have We Here?

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posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 12:37 PM
Everyone knows the US is dealing with an illegal immigration problem and this article tackles some of the finer points.

The U.S. is being invaded so silently and surreptitiously that most Americans are not even aware of it. The invaders come by land, sea and air.

Statistics are everywhere, solutions hard to find..

What was once a trickle has become a flood. Exact figures are hard to come by, but U.S. officials estimate that between 6 million and 10 million illegal aliens are living in the U.S. Last year alone, between 500,000 and 1 million arrived—while another 750,000 were caught and deported.

Los Angeles, the 3rd highest concentration of Mexicans
, more in one US city than almost all of Mexico itself?

Small wonder that close to 10% of all Mexicans actually reside in the U.S., and Los Angeles has the third largest concentration of Mexicans (after Mexico City and Guadalajara).

The US taxpayer is burdened by all the services rendered catering to the illegals.

The INS estimates that the newcomers cost the American taxpayer $13 billion a year in social services, and aggravate the already unfavorable balance of payments by annually sending home $3 billion—or more.

Lack of employees prevent the INS from performing their duties as prescribed by immigration law.

Even if an immigrant is caught, he is often released on his pledge that he will leave the country; he may renege and simply move to a different job in another area. Criminal penalties are seldom imposed by courts with overcrowded dockets.

Though many say the illegals do what citizens won't do, there are hard working citizens paying the price of the illegals.

Unemployment, for example, is high among union carpenters in Houston even though the city is in the midst of a building boom. The reason is that contractors are holding out for Mexican immigrants who will accept less than the minimum wage.

The government atttempts to crack down on illegals? NO they crack down on businesses hiring the illegals. Where do these now jobless illegals go?

To control the number of illegal aliens entering the U.S. in the future, the Administration is considering sanctions—presumably stiff fines—against employers who knowingly hire such immigrants.

It looks like there is a conflict on how to deal with the illegals.

In the years ahead, the U.S. is likely to continue to be burdened with the fact that it is still pre-eminently the land of opportunity and promise—and that hundreds of thousands of people who cannot immigrate legally will try everything in their power to cross the border somewhere, sometime, somehow, and stay as long as they can.

Well everyone can pretty much say, what's the big deal?

Now the Shocking part,
check this out: Shocking

[edit on 2007/2/28 by JacKatMtn]

posted on Feb, 28 2007 @ 05:05 PM
Let's put it this way, since this article first appeared, I have dropped out of high school, got married, joined the Army, served 7 months in gulf war I,got divorced, got happiily remarried to the love of my life, raised three children, basicly lived 75% + of my 42 years and it seems that our US government has done absolutely nothing to solve this problem.

posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 08:20 AM
There is an extremely important bill being proposed and voted on this week by the Senate. It is sponsored by Ted Kennedy, so you know that it favors amnesty. The last bill, S2611, was defeated, but this time, some Republicans are supporting it, so it may pass.

I'm pretty much convinced that the only way to solve this illegal immigration problem is to annex Mexico and develop it.

posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 10:55 AM

Originally posted by jsobecky
I'm pretty much convinced that the only way to solve this illegal immigration problem is to annex Mexico and develop it.

I think that the North American Union; being pushed by this administration, is essentially going to bring this about, jsobecky.

posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 01:50 PM
The Union will give everybody free reign in all three countries.

Mexicans can already drive freight through the border to what ever city its going.

This just started and will probably kill the truckers who are American

posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 02:00 PM
And I notice in the years since this article was published that.......the US hasn't collpased under the weight of illegal immigration, and infact has gone through its economic ups and downs like every other country on the planet, and still managed to stay ahead of everyone else.

Conclusion: immigration is clearly not a problem.

posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 02:23 PM
No, conclusion is that the US economy is very strong and resilient, and able to weather blows like illegal immigration.

It doesn't mean that it can do it forever, nor should it be expected to.

posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 02:39 PM
Monday, May. 02, 1977

When I think how long ago that was, it makes me wonder how much of what we're hearing today is just fear-mongering... There's a lot of that going around, you know?

posted on Mar, 1 2007 @ 03:24 PM
BH, you are really....

We should all be embarassed.

posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 11:34 AM
Here are some "only here to work" illegals Nice.

posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 11:52 AM

Originally posted by rdang
Here are some "only here to work" illegals Nice.

um, that doesn't even say that they're ILLEGALS, it just says that they are foreign nationals. immigration status isn't listed

but, nice job on skewing it

especially as you know that there are actually no CUBAN illegals in this country because any cuban is considered a refugee and given a fast track to citizenship. yet there are 2 cubans on your list of "illegals"

[edit on 3/3/07 by madnessinmysoul]

posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 12:42 PM
Many of the people who defend illegal immigration by default also defend creating and sustaining below the poverty line employment. Thus you are creating more "poor" people. Congratulations liberals, your generosity and good will have created a modern day dark age economy complete with over half of our population making the equivalent of peasant and serf wages compared to the business/land owners of modern day.

Trickle down economics does not work and only operates as a wedge between the upper and lower classes.

I am not a socialist, however I am for rights and protecting the AMERICAN worker. The American worker is anyone who has legal documentation to work in this country. Simple laws of supply and demand dictate that with a larger work force comes lowered wages. If we subsidize our vegetables why can't we protect our workforce?

If you guys want to create a modern day serf class in the US go right ahead and try to, but don't tell us in the same breath that the economy is "strong and resilient" because for half of the economy it is anything but that.

The issue of illegal immigration is another way for Corporate America to tell the US and the rest of the world how it feels about the average worker and his or her rights. Who cares if a corporation pays its illegal work force less than minimum wage as long as it's making it's stock owners money right JSO? Isn't that what true capitalism is all about? It is about time we as Americans start to realize that the way we treat our local and foreign workers inversely effect how we are seen by the world. If we are the country that continues to set up Nike-Inspired sweat shops in thrid world countries so that Americans can make money and floss at the sweat shop workers economic expense and dignity we will continue to be hated as a country for the next three hundred years.

[edit on 3-3-2007 by Low Orbit]

posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 12:49 PM

Originally posted by Low Orbit
Many of the people who defend illegal immigration by default also defend creating and sustaining below the poverty line employment.

Indeed, which is why we should open the border and have a a quicker, easier naturalization process. If we make it easier and quicker to become a citizen, less people will risk gaining illegal entry into the country. If we make it easier to be come a citizen, then that pulls the rug out from under the people that want to weaken border patrol efforts. It will make immigrant communities less fearful of deportation, and thus more likely to cooperate with police and health workers. It will weaken the cross border gangs, which have, for years, been extending their operations deep into america, by removing one of their major sources of income, human smuggling.
It has far, far more 'credits' than 'debits', and is far better than the current situation. Just give amensty to anyone in the US that is willing to accept it officially, and make it easier for more people to come to the US and become citizens. If they're not a criminal, basically just let them in.

Congratulations liberals

I am not a liberal.

posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 01:03 PM
Why stop there Nygdan when you we can open a quick legalization process to anyone and any job in the future. Thus we could have foreign lawyers, accountants, police officers, state and federal workers etc. If we go ahead with this quick immigration process we should open it up to all workers that way we can maximize our increase in talented labor.

Whatever we end up doing I hope it is fair for all classes in our country. Why not have licensed Mexican doctors as an option for low income families, might this help us solve our health care crisis? Finally, we should start hiring illegals left and right for CEO and CFO positions for American corporations. They would work for a lot less and they would accept blame better.

Employing illegals lowers the other workers' human dignity and right to work. Employing illegals shows the rest of the staff that they care nothing for their workers and only care about 2 things a cheap and disposable work force. It shows that the owner is willing to cheat, cut corners, to keep from paying "extra" to their employees.

Nygdan do you understand you are giving more money and time to protect our vegetables than our own workers? Do you have the heart of an artichoke?

As long as you are making money I guess its cool though, Nydan!

[edit on 3-3-2007 by Low Orbit]

posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 02:21 PM
why is it that people think free market capitalism and the competition it breeds are great UNTIL you threaten the livelyhood of the american worker?

honestly, if you want capitalism, let the market take care of it. you can't have it both ways

low orbit, you may accuse nygdan of being heartless towards american workers, but why do american workers take precedance over any other workers?

i say, people are people, national affiliation is irrelevant
get the best person for the job, right?

posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 02:52 PM
They dont take precedence except for the fact that my country is the US. I hope Canada, Mexico, and most other countries put up similar laws to the ones that I propose it would help to give the individual worker more rights and hopefully higher wages.

I want a capitalist system, but the one I envision doesn't subsidize produce, metals, building materials, and everything else big business related over the American worker.

You want a free market, stop subsidizing our substandard auto manufacturers and airlines then you'll see a free market.

All I am saying is it is time the average American starts realizing we are giving our country away to big business and for what? So that they can do whatever it takes to make more poor people?

People are people mad, have you read anything I said above.

What YOU are doing by allowing illegal immigration is you are allowing some UNETHICAL business owner to screw a legal employee out of a job while at the same time he is usually paying an unethical wage to his victim/employee.

If people are people mad does that mean we can just treat them like crap? Is that what you are saying?
You aren't doing much for a person if you pay them less than minimum wage without benefits all you do is make a social problem when that illegal later needs social services to sustain themselves at taxpayers expense.

Of course you should get the best person for the job, however does that mean to you that we should be able to break whatever laws we want in order to get there, of course we shouldn't.

posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 03:02 PM

Originally posted by jsobecky
I'm pretty much convinced that the only way to solve this illegal immigration problem is to annex Mexico and develop it.

That would be a nice solution, considering we have been handling what Mexico has ignored over 30 years.

We could go from 50 to let's say 58 states if you include Puerto Rico and Wash DC, of course by splitting Mexico up 5-6 ways.

Obviously these people want to be American, Let's make them American..
and end the argument now....

posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 03:10 PM
you have no idea what these people want! They don't want to be American, that's why they don't bother to learn our language or listen to our music or eat our food. All they want is to make an American wage so they can make more money for their family back home. If an illegal was offered the same wages in their home country as they could make in the US what do you think they would take.

End of discussion.

posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 03:26 PM

Originally posted by Low Orbit
you have no idea what these people want! They don't want to be American, that's why they don't bother to learn our language or listen to our music or eat our food. All they want is to make an American wage so they can make more money for their family back home. If an illegal was offered the same wages in their home country as they could make in the US what do you think they would take.

End of discussion.

I beg to differ, the Mexicans who come here to earn an honest wage do so because they cannot get the chance in their homeland, they are willing to risk all and do it for their family.

I suggest to you that they would rather have their country be a part of the US so they might have the chance to stay close to home.

If the US were to annex Mexico and get rid of the corrupt leaders who have trashed the country and ignored the working class, Mexico would be better off.

Mexican leadership's solution to their problem of the poor and jobless, is to guide them across our border.

We have tried as a country to assist and pump money into Mexico, ie NAFTA, but to no avail, the fat pockets get fatter and the illegals continue to come here.

My position originally was to build a wall, a very tall wall, to keep them out,
now I feel differently.

I could be wrong in my assessment, be that as it may, being a Nation of opportunity and compassion, it would be in our country's interest to consider why this has been happening for 30+ years and maybe take that step to help the people of Mexico and not the corrupt government of Mexico.

posted on Mar, 3 2007 @ 03:45 PM
Yea good call, give 'em all jobs making less than minimum wage in the US and they'll be a lot better off!

Have you ever watched Mexican's watch a national soccer match, they are patriotic, and most do not want to be part of the US.

Your simple solutions to this problem do not touch upon the core issues of illegal immigration instead you have chosen to become indifferent to it's causes and thus feel isolated and helpless on the issue.

American businesses should be helping to solve the issues of poverty in Mexico and other countries in which it has employees. They should be accountable for the welfare of such employees. American companies should look at foreign operations as an opportunity to be ambassadors of American values instead of the current approach which perpetuates poverty which is one of the core causes of illegal immigration.

I often think back to the parable about give a man a fish and feed him for a day or teach a man to fish and feed him for life. The jobs that come from all of these illegal employers are fish, when without the extra competition(illegal labor) these jobs become the equivalent of fishing poles. An example of this is construction jobs in California. Before illegals were allowed "open" access to them they use to pay well and one could make a descent living off of them. Now they pay much less and don't offer benefits, o and if you don't speak spanish don't even bother applying with most places.

Finally, this is another reason why I prefer Jeffersonian politics over Federalism. Maybe illegal immigration is different in California from that of Virginia. Like anyone in Virginia could understand the problem of illegal immigration in California and why should they! That's why a Californian shouldnt vote on the illegal immigration problem of Virginia just like a Virginian shouldn't vote for a Californian's. Who knows maybe Virginia needs more illegals, all I am saying is that California is packed.

[edit on 3-3-2007 by Low Orbit]

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