Why we exist- A great read

Hes a scan from a small section of a great book "conversations with god" ,
its probably the most important 10 pages of the entire book

id like people to read it and let me know what they think , for some reason i feel that this is very accurate

www.users.on.net...

[edit on 1-1-2007 by MouldyCrumpet]

[edit on 1-1-2007 by MouldyCrumpet]

Yeah you have a fan here.
I think there should be a whole thread dedicated to this book.
There are so many things to discuss.
You would probably get more peoples attention by posting up a few paragraphs.

This reads like something from an Alpha course - I steer away fom stuff that reads in a slightly condescending manner although I agree with most of the propositions.

Whats an Alpha course? o.o

Toby its a course for designed to introduce people to christianity, covers the "Basics" Hope this helps

I've always believed that I'll get the answer one day to everything I've ever wondered about.

why we exist is...
because some organic molecules hit the earth billions of years ago and created life, we evolved and waa laa we have people now.

by the way, my last post was just a summary, other stuff happened in between which is scientifically proven.

Hi All , sorry to bump this old thread, but I realized my link has been dead for a while and found an online source to the book, see below and see the section I have posted which is the same as what I had linked to in the first post. i'd love to hear peoples feedback on what I have posted below as an explanation to why anything exists at all.

www.epubbud.com...


in this book The reason for existence was explained and regardless if true or not it made perfect sense to me. Please bear in mind what your about to read is between God and the writer of the book so there's a back and fourth 2 way conversation. I have put bold on the text which are spoken by god to make it easier to follow. my apologies for the length buts its necessary. I would appreciate any feedback on whats written below.

"Let’s start here. The soul—your soul—knows all there is to know all the time. There’s nothing hidden to it, nothing unknown. Yet knowing is not enough. The soul seeks to experience. You can know yourself to be generous, but unless you do something which displays generosity, you have nothing but a concept. You can know yourself to be kind, but unless you do someone a kindness, you have nothing but an idea about yourself. It is your soul’s only desire to turn its grandest concept about itself into its greatest experience. Until concept becomes experience, all there is, is speculation.

I have been speculating about Myself for a long time. Longer than you and I could collectively remember. Longer than the age of this universe times the age of the universe. You see, then, how young is—how new is—My experience of Myself!

You’ve lost me again. Your experience of Yourself?

Yes. Let me explain it to you this way:
In the beginning, that which Is, is all there was, and there was nothing else. Yet All That Is could not know itself—because All That Is , is all there was, and there was nothing else. And so, All That Is.. .was not. For in the absence of something else, All That Is, is not.

This is the great Is/Not Is to which mystics have referred from the beginning of time. Now All That Is knew it was all there was—but this was not enough, for it could only know its utter magnificence conceptually, not experientially. Yet the experience of itself is that for which it longed, for it wanted to know what it felt like to be so magnificent. Still, this was impossible, because the very term “magnificent” is a relative term. All That Is could not know what it felt like to be magnificent unless that which is not showed up. In the absence of that which is not, that which IS, is not.

Do you understand this?


I think so. Keep going.

All right.

The one thing that All That Is knew is that there was nothing else. And so It could, and would, never know Itself from a reference point outside of Itself. Such a point did not exist. Only one reference point existed, and that was the single place within. The “Is-Not Is.” The Am-Not Am.
Still, the All of Everything chose to know Itself experientially. This energy—this pure, unseen, unheard, unobserved, and therefore unknown-by-anyone else energy—chose to experience Itself as the utter magnificence It was. In order to do this, It realized It would have to use a reference point within.

It reasoned, quite correctly, that any portion of Itself would necessarily have to be less than the whole, and that if It thus simply divided Itself into portions, each portion, being less than the whole, could look back on the rest of Itself and see magnificence. And so All That Is divided Itself—becoming, in one glorious moment, that which is this, and that which is that. For the first time, this and that existed, quite apart from each other. And still, both existed simultaneously. As did all that was neither. Thus, three elements suddenly existed: that which is here. That which is there. And that which is neither here nor there—but which must exist for here and there to exist. It is the nothing which holds the everything. It is the non-space which holds the space. It is the all which holds the parts.

Can you understand this?

Are you following this?

I think I am, actually. Believe it or not, you have used such a clear illustration that I think I’m actually understanding this.

I’m going to go further. Now this nothing which holds the everything is what some people call God. Yet that is not accurate, either, for it suggests that there is something God is not—
namely, everything that is not “nothing.” But I am All Things—seen and unseen—so this description of Me as the Great Unseen—the No-Thing, or the Space Between, an essentially Eastern mystical definition of God, is no more accurate than the essentially Western practical description of God as all that is seen. Those who believe that God is All That Is and All That Is Not, are those whose understanding is correct.

Now in creating that which is “here” and that which is “there,” God made it possible for God to know Itself. In the moment of this great explosion from within, God created relativity—the greatest gift God ever gave to Itself. Thus, relationships the greatest gift God ever gave to you, a point to be discussed in detail later.

From the No-Thing thus sprang the Everything—a spiritual event entirely consistent, incidentally, with what your scientists call The Big Bang theory. As the elements of all raced forth, time was created, for a thing was first here, then it was there—and the period it took to get from here to there was measurable. just as the parts of Itself which are seen began to define themselves, “relative” to each other, so, too, did the parts which are unseen.

God knew that for love to exist—and to know itself as pure love—its exact opposite had to exist as well. So God voluntarily created the great polarity—the absolute opposite of love—
everything that love is not—what is now called fear. In the moment fear existed, love could exist as a thing that could be experienced.