Jeb Bush hides in a closet to avoid a crowd who hate him!

Why don't they like Jeb Bush anyway? Is it just because he's George's brother or has he actually done anything wrong? Sorry i'm not too clued up on US state politics.

Also I would have thought the Governor would have had more than a bodyguard and a woman accompanying him on the street?

Originally posted by intrepid
I'm such a hoser.

Better to be a hoser than to be one of those getting hosed. You're lucky to be outside of the Bush family's "jurisdiction."

Originally posted by D4rk Kn1ght
Damn I thought you Americans knew how your country was formed....By chasing down those who would not listen and changing it by force of protest and revolution....

Right on the point...A lot of Americans don't even bother to study their own history beyond the amount of education allowed in public schools.

How many Americans remember this:
The Magna Carta, signed by King John in 1215 & violated within a few months...
Abuses by King John caused a revolt by nobles who compelled him to execute this recognition of rights for both noblemen and ordinary Englishmen. It established the principle that no one, including the king or a lawmaker, is above the law. It was this very document that gave the US Founding Forefathers the motivation to travel to America. As the English Crown further violated the Magna Carta, it led to Grievences being sent to England for redress. Even so, the Crown further violated the Magna Carta more & even increased pressure (economically & with military) on the American Colonies, which led to:

The Declaration of Independence, which states,
"That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principals, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
Of course, this led to war. After winning US independence, came the Articles of Confederation; The first attempt to organize a new government for the new nation of the USA.

But then came the Constitution. The very First Amendment among the Bill of Rights states,
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
And the Tenth Amedment, which states,
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
The Government has been constantly & consistently been overstepping their limits, as imposed by the Constitution, and has consistently been ignoring petitioning for Redress of Grievances. But as the Constitution itself defines Treason, the government itself cannot be considered a victim of Treason! Therefore, if the People were to overthrow the Government, the People could not be indicted for Treason if they revolted for the purpose of restoring the authority of the Constitution back into the government.
See, not all of us are lazy idiots...
And there are more people using the peaceful & Constitutional methods than there are those who seek violence first. I heard an old saying once that goes, "Violence is the last recourse of the unintelligent." I would like to further add that, "It also happens to be the first course of the truly idiotic or wildly desperate." How many in that mob chasing Jeb could be counted amongst the "desperate", I wonder?

Still, it feels good to see that some of these crooked politicians know that they're crooked enough to earn the ire of the People (Partisan Politics not withstanding). At least, this way, they can't chalk up any excuses for making "mistakes", because they know full well that they're crooked.
It's far past time that the crooks are held accountable for their own Treasons against the People & the Constitution...And I'm not referring to the Bush family specifically, but the government in general & as a whole, both Federal & State levels. The Constitution defines what limits the Government has even more than defining what powers it does have.

Originally posted by djohnsto77
I think this sheds a much worse light on the liberal protesters than on Bush, if he had to hide in a closet for his personal safety.

Who said they were liberals? They said they were war protestors and they just want this current system out!!

Protesters said Gov. Bush blew them a kiss, acknowledging the crowd of about 30 chanting pickets that was made up of United Steelworkers and members of Uprise Counter Recruitment, a tour traveling through 22 cities to support anti-war efforts.

Since when are United Steelworkers liberals? They dont want the current machine to be here anymore, it can be replaced by fricking anything and it ould make the real people happy. You mindless fanatics always try and make everything a left vs. right.

There is nothing to indicate that the man was attacked. He fled because he was afraid of what might happen.

This is how things ought to be. The people aren't supposed to fear the government.

The government is supposed to fear the people.

The more time these *Officious, spiteful, self-aggrandizing, silver-spoon, self-absorbed, blind, out-of-control, superflous, ignorant, pretentious, greedy, insane, drug-addled wonder-monkeys spend in broom closets, the less damage they do to our nation.

FYI, the protesters weren't there for Bush, not exactly. They were united against that putz Santorum. This guy is so repugnant, I hate to read about him, but I'm going to post a few quotes.
( From here )

"[The] right to privacy…doesn't exist in my opinion in the United States Constitution." –Rick Santorum on the right to privacy

“[I have] a problem with homosexual acts, as I would with what I would consider to be acts outside of traditional heterosexual relationships . . . if the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual [gay] sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery.” –Rick Santorum on gay sex, AP interview

Extra points for comparing homosexuals to those who practice incest. This man is such a turd.

“This is an issue just like 9-11, we didn't decide we wanted to fight the war on terrorism because we wanted to. It was brought to us. And if not now, when? When the supreme courts in all the other states have succumbed to the Massachusetts version of the law?" -Senator Rick Santorum on gay marriage, as quoted in Pennsylvania’s Morning Call

And this takes the cake. It's not enough for him to equate homosexuals to those who practice incest, bestiality, and pedophilia, but now he's comparing the fight against gay marriage to the War on Terrorism.

This man is disgusting. He has no place in the power structure of this country.

I wouldn't even want him fixing my burger at Wendy's. :shk:

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JSO,

It isn't about logic , it is about comman sense. If you do something, you will be asked to account for it. You know - accountability.

If your friend does something, you should understand that you will probably be asked about it. Call it guilt by association, or whatever, it isn't logical, but it is what happens. If you didn't do anything wrong, you have nothing to hide from. Let alone in a closet.

If your family member does something, once again, people will want to ask you about it. Even if the answer is "Sheesh, I have no idea what the heck my families deal is", but you have to understand you will be asked about it. Once again, it isn't logical - but it is what actually happens.

So what did this guy do when confronted with protesters? He hid in a closet? Yet, he(and his ilk) feel no way about sending other people off to war to face people that are trying to kill you, and he doesn't have the nuts to stand and take questions from Americans?

There is a word for humans like that...

Originally posted by jsobecky
The fact is that this man was an innocent visitor whose rights were violated by an ignorant group of thugs. So you want to justify their actions because of his last name? Guilt by association?

Good. Then you'll understand when the mob chases your grandmother down the street because you did something wrong.

Oh so you are admitting that little Jeb's big brother George has done something wrong. Wow!

As for my grandmother she was a lady with high morals and high standards on people's behavior, she believed that all people should be treated with dignity and had I ever once acted like the low life creeps we have in office today, no mob would have had to chase me anywhere, my grandma would have beat the **** out of me. It's too bad that the Bush family did not have a lady of my grandmother's quality in their family maybe the country would be better off if they had.

All the cops did was zap 2 with a stun gun? Could have easily been 25-30. No arrests, no citations? Where were the real bullets, where was the tear gas?

This was a perfect time for these do nothing cops to handle some business, but they didn't.

Anarcists everywhere must be proud!

These protestors are on the same level as Muslim terrorists in my book.

Originally posted by RRconservative

These protestors are on the same level as Muslim terrorists in my book.

Then you won't be surprized when those Americans you suggest the cops shoot with real bullets, look at you on the same level as those that they try to chase down?

You are aware you just said for cops to shoot American's right? For chasing a politician - who has been responsible(Directly or indirectly) for how many tramas and hardships on the public?

Seriously though, shouldn't a person in public office be able to deal with the public?

Does this thread belong here? Where is the conspiracy?

In any case, it's obvious the left wing nut jobs are ignorant and violent. Free speech is allowed only if agrees with their facist point of view. I love seeing stuff like this as it just wins more votes for republicans. The majority of the voters in this country don't associate with the "protesting" scum and the cretins that support their actions. They are hate-filled robots of the mainstream media.

What has Jeb Bush done to those individuals to warrant an attack like that? It's no different that the nazi's going after jews just because they were jewish.

APOC, I would say the conspiracy is in how well conditioned people are to take a side. Ofcourse the other side is just crazy nutjobs, because you don't agree with them. I don't condone violence, but violence begets violence, and when people feel betrayed they will lash out at those they feel betrayed them. Now clearly you can see how people may feel their government in general, and the bush Co specifically, has betrayed many of them... so what is there not to understand? Besides there was no violence, nor from what I gather, any threat of violence. Merely one fraidy cat running from the public, no doubt in order to sign some law that will send more of those crazynut jobs over seas to be killed for a make beleive war... but hey, why would anyone be angry with them right?

Poor Jeb! Those nasty protesters were shouting and chanting! How violent!

I don't see how politicians don't expect this everywhere they go! They chose a career serving the people, to listen to constiutents, yet how can we get them to listen when we really have no voice? Aren't they our voice? So, we must wait until elections in hopes of voting out the turds who don't serve the people? Yeah, that works alright...

Coming from a land where protesters are a dime a dozen (Clayoquot Sound anyone?), this really makes me laugh.

I think the crowd was just greeting him as a "Liberator."

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Because the day is coming where this administration is going to something so outrageous, the most most die hard supporters are going to finally see the light.

In a decent world every american citizen would be joining these people on the streets.

The only reason Bush is in power, is because the people arent strong enough to think for themselves... and stand up the way this group has.

You are totally missing the point. Do you really advocate the mob's actions?

And all of you that think this was due to GWB's policies, you are wrong. The crowd was fed up with Rick Santorum.

But hey, any opportunity to bash Bush is a good opportunity, eh?

Pittsburgh should be ashamed. The protestors should be ashamed. Those who support mob rule instead of the laws of our land should be ashamed.

Originally posted by D4rk Kn1ght
Jeb Bush hides in a closet to avoid a crowd who hate him!

Wrong he did not hide in the Closet.

He was escorted into the closet for security reasons, there is a very big differance.

from WyrdeOne
There is nothing to indicate that the man was attacked. He fled because he was afraid of what might happen.

Wrong. He fled because he was chased by an unruly mob.

This is how things ought to be. The people aren't supposed to fear the government.

The government is supposed to fear the people.

And the people are supposed to fear the people? Wrong again.

The more time these wankers spend in broom closets, the less damage they do to our nation.

Extra points for using an offensive term that has earned WARNs for members when they use it.

FYI, the protesters weren't there for Bush, not exactly. They were united against that putz Santorum. This guy is so repugnant, I hate to read about him, but I'm going to post a few quotes.
( From here )


External Source


"[The] right to privacy…doesn't exist in my opinion in the United States Constitution." –Rick Santorum on the right to privacy

Backed up by most constitutional scholars, btw. Maybe you can point out where it is specifically protected in our Constitution?

Regardless. The crowd should have focused on Santorum, not a visitor to their city.

Originally posted by malganis
Why don't they like Jeb Bush anyway? Is it just because he's George's brother or has he actually done anything wrong? Sorry i'm not too clued up on US state politics.

They don't really need a reason... hate is the pillar of their philosophy. Hate for anyone who has a different opinion.

When you deal with that level of intellect, hate is a much easier way to incite a crowd than using reason.

Also I would have thought the Governor would have had more than a bodyguard and a woman accompanying him on the street?

Well, I don't know what you've heard about America, but most people are not like that mob, and do not support them. The same people that support them are quick to say that a woman should be able to walk down a deserted street at 2AM with no fear for her safety. Yet they ruin it for everybody by acting like a bunch of drunken teenagers.

They are the reason this country is going to hell in a handbasket.

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I love it how the same people that claim the right of might makes right when it comes to war in Iraq, Iran, etc, etc, etc are the same ones that cry foul over "mob rule"?? LMAO!! Talk about the pot and the frackn kettle!

If you piss off people, they will want to hurt you. So that is way we evolved manners, and being polite and comman edicate. It is something that while the US may have had more might than the British they were never half the world leaders the British were.

Jso, I think you'll find that after you illegally invade a country, cause the deaths of 10's if not 100's of thousands of people, the illegal maming and torturing of people, tend to tick people off. Why is that so hard to see?

Wrong. He fled because he was chased by an unruly mob.

I don't see how our interpretations are mutually exclusive.

If he had stood his ground, he was afraid he would be injured.

Since he fled like a coward we'll never know, will we?

Extra points for using an offensive term that has earned WARNs for members when they use it.

Really? If the term was used to insult a fellow member, I could see that, but I find it hard to believe that anybody has been warned for bestowing the title on a public figure.

If that's true, I'm out of line. (I've gone and gotten the opinions of some fellow mods, both of whom I respect very much, and they don't think it's appropriate, because of the sexual connotation, so I've gone ahead and edited it.)

I'm curious if you're right, so I'm calling a little mod-conference to ascertain the truth.

Backed up by most constitutional scholars, btw. Maybe you can point out where it is specifically protected in our Constitution?

Says you.

The word privacy never appears in the constitution, but maybe you've heard of the 4th amendment...

Also, Griswold V. Connecticut established what is commonly known as the constitutional right to privacy.

www.usconstitution.net...

The Constitution does not specifically mention a right to privacy. However, Supreme Court decisions over the years have established that the right to privacy is a basic human right, and as such is protected by virtue of the 9th Amendment. The right to privacy has come to the public's attention via several controversial Supreme Court rulings, including several dealing with contraception (the Griswold and Eisenstadt cases), interracial marriage (the Loving case), and abortion (the well-known Roe v Wade case). In addition, it is said that a right to privacy is inherent in many of the amendments in the Bill of Rights, such as the 3rd, the 4th's search and seizure limits, and the 5th's self-incrimination limit.

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You liberals should be cowering in shame instead of laughing at Mr. Bush. This was MUCH MORE embarassing to liberals than to Bush.

When have you liberals come to such a point that you threaten the safety of a politican and have the guts to laugh about it?

Shame, shame, shame...

Do family members of a sitting president travel with security?
Are they supposed to listen to what their bodyguards tell them to do?

and finally.
Jeb Bush being a Goveror, and a family member of a sitting president, does he have more security than your average governor?

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