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Originally posted by saint4God
I wish to see your definitive source.
All that I've read says no one knows the origin of the Christmas tree...but with the name CHRISTmas, I would imagine this particular tree was used for the purpose as the song I'd posted suggests.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
The medieval germans simply took an ancient pagan custom of their forefathers and adopted it to the new religon.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Originally posted by saint4God
I wish to see your definitive source.
www.religioustolerance.org...
www.serve.com...
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
In English, its Christmas. However, English is not the only language in the world.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
The Christmas Tree of modern days originated in Germany. The German word for Christmas tree is Tannenbaum, which means fir tree in German. Fir tree does not signify Christian.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
The medieval germans simply took an ancient pagan custom of their forefathers and adopted it to the new religon.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
The Original song was O Tannenbaum, which was later translated into English, and renamed O Christmas Tree.
Originally posted by Strangerous
Also while we're on this subject who appointed you 'saint'? I thought only Popes could do that after evidence of a miracle? If you see your role in life to spread the belief in your god shouldn't it be 'pilgrim' rather than 'saint'
Originally posted by Strangerous
saint4god you do seem strangely ignorant about a subject in which you profess to be expert.
Originally posted by Strangerous
Many pagan symbols / festivals were hijacked to popularise / legitimise christianity - holy & ivy, fir trees, easter bunny, etc etc.
Originally posted by Strangerous
I'd be interested in your explanation for the prevelance of yew trees in churchyards, the Green Man etc featuring in catherdral architecture in England
Originally posted by Strangerous
Also while we're on this subject who appointed you 'saint'?
In many Protestant denominations, the term saint refers to a devoted believer in Jesus who work to further the gospel and lives a life as best as possible.
Originally posted by Strangerous
I thought only Popes could do that after evidence of a miracle?
Originally posted by Strangerous
If you see your role in life to spread the belief in your god shouldn't it be 'pilgrim' rather than 'saint'
Originally posted by saint4God
Sorry, but a source is not definitive when it uses phrases like "Legends about the first Christmas tree abound"
Per legend you'd linked, many think it came from Martin Luthers tradition. Aka, we don't know.
Big leap, lacking support
The links I've posted say the same, but it doesn't change the lyrics. Unless you're suggesting that the English traslation of the lyrics is incorrect?
[edit on 6-10-2006 by saint4God]
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Well, if you compare them side by side, German and English translations, youll see the English translation has several differences. The biggest being Tannenbaum (fir tree) in German becomes Christmas Tree in English.
dat is de leve Gott,
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
What do fir trees have to do with Christs birth anyway?
Originally posted by saint4God
There's a movement (conspiracy?) to make Christian things non-Christian. Here's one example.
Originally posted by DJMessiah
Exactly which part of Christianity does Santa Clause fit in?
Originally posted by DJMessiah
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Christian parents teaching their children that all sin is equal in weight of being evil, and yet homosexuality is a sin, but lying to their children about the existance of a powerful human being who can perform miracles and grant them rewards for being good and punish them for being evil, by teaching them about Santa Clause is ok?
Originally posted by saint4God
What's this word here in O Tannenbaum? What does Gott mean in English?
There are various legends about this. Some say it was because Christ gave us the gift of eternal life to those who believe, as represented as "evergreen" but that's not my contention. My assertion is the hymn O Christmas Tree or O Tannenbaum has been changed. That's the topic, that's what I'm looking to explore.
Originally posted by saint4God
Saint Nicholas was a man who was charitable, giving gifts to celebrate Christ, but that's a story for another thread.
I agree a lie is a lie. Children deserve the truth, that there's no man in a sleigh dropping down chimneys. So...how bout the actual topic?