Greys are actually humans?

The following comment was posted originally under two other threads.
However, I thought it might be an interesting topic, in and of itself.
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I just got finished looking through this thread concerning an "interview" with a grey:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

On page 8 there was a link with audio from hud103:
s39.photobucket.com...

Here is some points/questions I would like to point out:

- Its interesting that aliens travel here and get caught and then our medical teams can "help" them.
The aliens, hypothetically from what the masses are told, would be light years advanced to even make it here and our medical team wouldnt be able to do anything to help. n the video you will notice a medical team swarming over the alien>

- No disclosure...so the governments want to keep it a secret, but the aliens to...the latter is hard to believe.

What if the governmetns do want to disclose it, but as it has been mentioned, with their own twist.

What if these aliens are not so alien after all. Every video (which admittedly is few and not "confirmed" authentic,) show grey aliens who are really kind of powerless.
How did they loose their "super powers" to telekenetically overide the minds of those keeping it hostage, or use some advanced invisibility cloak, etc.

If these are real, the videos, in particular the one at the top of this post...then perhaps there is a more sinister operation going on.

We can look at World Wars, etc. to see what governments are willing to do to the helpless...children, women, etc. Some of the atomic, biological stuff can really deform people...kind of alien like.

Its starting to sound like a tale from Lord of the Rings, and I am curious about your opinion of this possiblity...
Like LOTR, where the sorcerer Sauron took Elves and tortured them, with them eventually "turning into" what are known as the "orcs. Perhaps some rogue government(s) have been experimenting with people for some decades to "create" (actually distort) life.

And similar to the movie, "The Island" with Ewan Mcgregor, who has a clone who believes he has lived a full life, only to find out he has been fed a video tape to supplement as memories...perhaps that is why disclosure hasnt come out.
They (whoever that is) are waiting for their "frankenstein" creations to adapt to the programming of believing the story they are from light years away, and once this is all settled, we will be informed...and disclosure will finally happen. Only it will not be totally real,but suit whoevers agenda it is disclosing the alien agenda.

Speaking of being fed memories, Im up to the idea that the real me is playing some "video" game and this is one of the many roles...


Who knows...this is a different slant, not that it helps anyone at the end of the day...just another idea, another theory.

Peace

Dalen

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I have long felt that the 'aliens' often seen are more likely to be terrestrial. They may just be very highly evolved humanoids who keep a low profile because they can easily see how dangerous we are.
I don't know, but I find it easier to believe that than that they are from another planet.

Are they "humans" from the future? Evolution is a slow process, with the aid of genetic engineering we will speed that process up. We will no longer have to do physical tasks, therefore no need for a large muscle mass. Our brains will get bigger and with current research in growing human embryos outside of a female body we will not have a need for sexual organs (although it takes allot of fun out of being a human) I remember watching a program on the science chan I think where they speculated on how humans might change their bodys to cope with 0 gravity of space and one of those things was to engineer a skin to be resistant to the radiation in space (gray skin color?)What if the genetic pool is so depleted in the far future that they need to take it back with them to continue the "human" race?


/ vote for Pedro

I've read thousands of Illuminati, Freemason, Luciferian, Esoteric & NWO websites, books, & articles. It seems to be a growing consensus among researches that the Elite of this world want to create a hermaphrodite slave class within another 2000 years as we enter a new dark age as Aquarius approaches. The world is suppossedly run by a waring secret society of uber priests, the white brother hood who take orders from an ascended nine who slowly release knowledge back into the world since the last great cataclysm.
Anyways there actually is evidence as suggested by a Mr Kealy & Jordon Maxwell & and even David Ike that the first step is to destroy Western Civilization through Socialism>communism>totalitarianism>corporate fuedalism> & kill the proverbial White Elephant (Caucasians) impeding their goals, and then blend Asians onto an African frames and destroy the female leaving a genetically altered hermaphroditic male with breasts that has a false womb to raise clones. This is why some worship Baphomet (hermaphroditic Goat headed demon that the illuminati worship) The elite want to control everything including reproduction, forced sterilization & abortion! Only good slaves will get to have a clone.
Sounds crazy but evidence is growing!
It could be possible that the Illuminati win and the greys have overthrown the elite in the future and have come back to learn how to turn themselves back into normal humans? Could explain abductions & probes etc.
www.kealey.net...
www.jordanmaxwell.com...

Intriguing thought-experiment. Good thing they expect this to take another 2000 years. In the meantime... .. .

I am interested in one statement you made "Baphomet (hermaphroditic Goat headed demon that the illuminati worship)" If this is such reclusive organization how would you know what they worship?

Originally posted by BattleofBatoche
It seems to be a growing consensus among researches that the Elite of this world want to create a hermaphrodite slave class...
The world is suppossedly run by a waring secret society of uber priests, the white brother hood who take orders from an ascended nine who slowly release knowledge back into the world since the last great cataclysm.
The elite want to control everything including reproduction, forced sterilization & abortion! Only good slaves will get to have a clone.
It could be possible that the Illuminati win and the greys have overthrown the elite in the future and have come back to learn how to turn themselves back into normal humans? Could explain abductions & probes etc.

Your first point, I tend to agree with.
It does appear that they want a slave class, which is most of us, and its pretty evident with the world system that is currently in place.

The other point about a waring secret society of uber priest...what is this, two groups?
This is a newer concept I have heard, as recently someone mentioned the green gloves in Tibet, I believe, and some black magic. (sounds similar to the emerald tablets.)

Yes the elite do want to control everything including reproduction...this I totally agree with, and hence part of my comment that the greys are humans that are being "toyed" with by the 'elite'.
(thus no disclosure as they have to get all their ducks in a row before they officially release their fake story of how they are from outer space.)

Interesting concept about them coming back from the future to be human again.
I have no idea, like the next guy, its all speculation, though some things seem to be getting clearer.

The elite seem to use religion as control...now concerning after life (briefly as I want to stay on topic), it could be that our souls are all smashed together like mashed potatoes (i.e., a potatoe has an identity until its mixed with the rest) once we die, kind of recycling bits of our energy throughout the universe less anyone get enlightened to pose a "threat" to the elite.
Just an idea.

Anyway

Peace

Dalen

Originally posted by Outrageo
Intriguing thought-experiment. Good thing they expect this to take another 2000 years. In the meantime... .. .

I dont know...whatever is going on, I highly doubt will take 2000 more years.
For whatever reason, its getting harder for stuff to stay secret...yet at the same time I doubt we have even reached the tip of the ice berg to whats going on.

How would most people react if the gov said, "yes there are greys...they are from outespace".
Cool, no problem, some excitment that finally we are told about what we know.

But what if they say, "the greys are real, but sorry, we fed you hollywood movies to make you think they are aliens, but they really are our human experiments...thats why we have them. After all, if they were advanced, how could we even had caputred one, they would have telepathically fried our brains if they were what we advertised to you though hollywood...that is intelligent beings flying billions of miles away when we cant even barley reach the moon."

So, aliens may be real...but the greys have a funny thing that smells like the earths "elite" behind it. Maybe the earths elite is "alien" to this planet...rulers by the "gods". But that is a topic of its own no?

Peace

Dalen

I don't find symbols like an eye or pyramid quite enough to buy the whole Illuminati speculation. I want something substantive, anything that is more than just someones idle pondering or daydreaming. If I am going to believe in this theory, I will need some proof. Any. And I echo the other post, how does one learn that they worship this Baphomet? And even if they do, considering how similar it looks to Pan, on whose celebration day I was born, why is that a bad thing? Is that worse than a Devil in Hell for eternity possibility for those who are Bible believers? I don't see a shred of actual meat yet.
And I still think that the greys, if real, are most likely advanced earth-grown humanoids who were likely much like us a million or two years ago, maybe....

Here are some pictures of Baphomet:
search.yahoo.com...

P.S. there is evidence the Knight's Templar worshiped Baphomet as well.
en.wikipedia.org...
www.templarhistory.com... (opposing view)
We all use bank notes (paper script or dollars) which started from gold & silver receipts originally from the TEMPLE BANK......Bank of England resting in the Inner city of London: en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
This city is a SEPARATE principality/counrty like the Vatican in Rome!!
Money & Religion controls the world! Follow the money.
Now look at the ubber high Freemason who helped found the USA! George Washington. Look how he sits in his statue/monument.
As in the heavens above so on the Earth Below!
www.illuminati-news.com...
Follow the links on the above site and you will find un deniable evidence of the illuminati....THE ELITE SLAVE MASTERS!

This next link is SCARY: www.jeremiah333ministries.org...

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www.illuminati-news.com...
Follow the links on the above site and you will find un deniable evidence of the illuminati....THE ELITE SLAVE MASTERS!

This next link is SCARY: www.jeremiah333ministries.org...

[edit on 30-9-2006 by BattleofBatoche]

I followed many of the links, BoB, but I missed the proof you found. Could you be more specific? In my link leaping I did come across the council of nine, though, and was a tad miffed to see its members so besmirched. In particular, one Eileen Garrett, whom I happen to hold in high regard as being a very important contributer to researching and developing the scientific study of the paranormal.
the quotes are awesome ones, but the bashing of the RCC, Jesuits, Jewish, and the wealthy elite families like the Rothschild and Rockefeller seems a bit too feverish and rabid. It is like a pack of dogs on a scent, yet I don't see the conspiracy. Unless the idea that the worlds wealthiest leaders are trying to remain where they are, and solidify their positions is the big conspiracy. What else would they do. I recognized many authors whom I have read and even seen in person speaking, yet although they do offer some great information that I find interesting, nowhere do they prove anything. George Washington as Baphomet? I didn't see it. He is a well known lodge member, so? Is that all they need to convict him of the heinous crimes depicted in the sites? In my family tree are a bunch of masons, even grand masters, who by all acounts were good citizens.
I didn't find the undeniable proof, just lots of name dropping, speculating and wild conjecture which I don't consider at all credible as proof. Show me the money. lol

Grays are known to be interbreeding with humans for various reasons. My understanding is that humans were created as a slave race, are slaves (to human controllers), and our true masters will return (the lizards). Then a new race will be produced to replace us so that we will be more suitable and more controllable in future as we enter the new age of higher energy. All secret societies on earth play a role in the upcoming events.

That sounds like V, or Independence Day, or some such film. Lizards, they're already here. Greys interbreeding? That explains the rooftop temple stories from ancient Babylon, and the whole rib story, which I find eerily cloning-like in its description.
And Bali, the cave carving that shows their ancestor goddess who looks like Spielbergs ET...
Hmmm
I think theres something there, but I don't buy the lizard return thing, I think they are going to help us when the time comes, and that they are watching carefully, from right here on earth. The Lacerta interview is a great read whether fiction or not, one of my faves.

What if these aliens are not so alien after all. Every video (which admittedly is few and not "confirmed" authentic,) show grey aliens who are really kind of powerless.

Well that's making some big assumptions.

I think it's possible we could be part grey. But if it has taken us roughtly 3.5 million years to evolve from the ape, then that might be enough time to evolve without outside influence.

Originally posted by Scramjet76
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I think it's possible we could be part grey. But if it has taken us roughtly 3.5 million years to evolve from the ape, then that might be enough time to evolve without outside influence.

I think that would be possible all they would have to do is change the genetics of certain random people through out the world. So hypotheticly speaking, it is possible. But it's just as possible, they could be the people from the "Dog star" that end up in mythology. Perticularly Aztec, Inca,(possibly) Sumerian and Ancient Egypt. This is just theories people think may have happened. Which is the most likely. That we may be part of an experiment for them as well as part of the Chrononman, and other ape-human creatures Millions of years back.

Here's some of the mythology:

Sumerian Mythology

Their Texts

Aztrec myths-Wikipiedia

Aztec background

Aztec myth specifics

Inca Mythology

Inca Culture in Pictures

Mythology links for everything.

Egypt mythology-easy background

Egypt mythology and daily life

Egyptian Deities



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[edit on 9/30/2006 by brokenwindows]

Thanks DAlan, for the great mental work out you provided me with today! I really like it when someone can come up with an idea that hasnt been thought over very often. Its very possible in some labs somewhere in the world this type of stuff goes on.. Just imagion the creatures they messed up on when trying to clone a human? Prehaps they are trying to clone "alien" DNA. When people start messing with unknown science it normally casues more questions than what its trying to answer! So keep on thinking, and Ill keep on thinking along side ya!

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Grays are known to be interbreeding with humans for various reasons. My understanding is that humans were created as a slave race, are slaves (to human controllers), and our true masters will return (the lizards). Then a new race will be produced to replace us so that we will be more suitable and more controllable in future as we enter the new age of higher energy. All secret societies on earth play a role in the upcoming events.

so according to this theory, humans were created by lizards...and greys already existed to watch us and were interbreeding with us...
...or perhaps the lizard masters are back (like david icke said) and are the elite and they are breeding, as you said, a new human species to be more controllable...a.k.a. the greys.

Interesting concept.

Peace

Dalen

Originally posted by Scramjet76

What if these aliens are not so alien after all. Every video (which admittedly is few and not "confirmed" authentic,) show grey aliens who are really kind of powerless.

Well that's making some big assumptions.

I think it's possible we could be part grey. But if it has taken us roughtly 3.5 million years to evolve from the ape, then that might be enough time to evolve without outside influence.

True it was making some large assumptions...however it was based on what we are supposed to believe from todays media.
Which would leave us to believe that if there are space visitors they would have to be so advanced (as we can barely get to the moon) that if anyone visited us, we would be no match...we couldnt even dream of doing what they did...unless there is more to it then meets the eye (or told to us, which I think most of us on these boards would tend to agree)

As far as evolving from the ape and then evolving into grey...yes, without outside help it would take awhile...thing is look at nazi germany and the experiments...Im sure that there are people willing to do experiments to "push" the envelope, and I would not be suprised if the past decades were spent on trying to perfect the "grey" project.

Not saying there are not aliens...just not sure about these grey creatures...maybe the "people" in control of the project are not of this planatary system...but who knows

Peace

Dalen

Originally posted by brokenwindows
This is just theories people think may have happened. Which is the most likely. That we may be part of an experiment for them as well as part of the Chrononman, and other ape-human creatures Millions of years back.

Here's some of the mythology:

Thanks for the links...mythology holds some light of truth...

I tend to think that thousands of years back, atlantis or some other advanced civilization existed...so whatever is happening to day, is a part of whatever survived the last earth catastrophe.

It could very well be that the nazis stumbled upon technology left over from the last civilization in Antartica, and now the NWO is formed around this stuff.

There is a story on this board floating around about Antartica and how the Nazis made some "wolf-man" solidiers to guard there base. Sounds like science fiction, but if they were re-discovering advanced techonology...not so far fetched.

And this could lead to the greys...being a by product of science experimentation.
Lets not forget that the scientific mind is curious is gives little regard to "ethics" as we see it.
So those grey creatures (not saying there harmless) but I think they would have let the earth know their presence if they traveled from light years away...and also would not have been able to get caught. It seems more plausible that this is from technology long forgotten but rediscovered.

Peace

Dalen

Originally posted by zysin5
Thanks DAlan, for the great mental work out you provided me with today! I really like it when someone can come up with an idea that hasnt been thought over very often. Its very possible in some labs somewhere in the world this type of stuff goes on.. Just imagion the creatures they messed up on when trying to clone a human? Prehaps they are trying to clone "alien" DNA. When people start messing with unknown science it normally casues more questions than what its trying to answer! So keep on thinking, and Ill keep on thinking along side ya!

Thanks for the comment...Im happy if it has been of interest to some.

I can totally imagine the mess they probably came across when trying to do any of these projects.
It would be like a horror film to anyone seeing it...but as mentioned in my previous post, if your the scientist doing the experiment you get the God complex, and you are so far separated from your subject you dont really care.

The whole story floating around about ancient earth civilizations, and Nazis possibly uncovering, at the least, ancient technology in Antartica is fascinating...and fits more into the concept I provided vs. some alien life from far away. (Not at all saying that doesnt exist to, but as I have mentioned in a previous post, for some reason the greys dont strike me as E.T.. despite hollywoods attempt at making them from light years away.)

I suppose it bares repeating, for those who may start this forum with reading the later post...
If there is a disclosure from the governments are they going to bend it to their purpose?
How could you bend such as topic as U.F.O.s unless it is more sinister and the U.F.O. is your creation. Only if it is there creation can they dictate when disclosure would have happened.
If this grey phenomenon was purely extraterrestrial, we would all have stumbled on the truth by now as they could not control such info. (I know the argument that the governments agreed with the U.F.O.s...then it gets divided that the U.F.O.s are evil and want to drink our blood, or are actually good.)

Guess we will find out one day.

Peace

Dalen