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Originally posted by NuclearHead
If they care so much about civilians, how come they left three American civilians to be slaughtered?
CAMP LIBERTY, Iraq (Army News Service, June 16, 2005) – The first female Soldier since World War II was awarded a Silver Star in Iraq June 16, and seven other members of her National Guard military police company received citations for valor after helping turn the tide of a convoy ambush earlier this spring.
Sgt. Leigh Ann Hester received the Silver Star, the Army's third highest award for valor, in a morning ceremony at Camp Liberty, Iraq. Staff Sgt. Timothy Nein and Spc. Jason Mike also received Silver Stars at the ceremony.
Three other members of the same squad received a Bronze Star with valor device: Spc. Casey Cooper, Spc. William Haynes II and Spc. Ashley Pullen. Sgt. Dustin Morris and Spc. Jesse Ordunez received an Army Commendation Medal with valor device. All are members of the Kentucky National Guard's 617th Military Police Company.
The Soldiers thwarted an insurgent attack against a coalition convoy March 20. The convoy of 26 supply vehicles was ambushed by about 40 insurgents southeast of Baghdad.
The 45-minute firefight left 27 insurgents dead, six wounded, and one captured. Three of the 617th Soldiers were wounded.
The MPs also confiscated a sizable weapons cache, including 22 AK-47 machine guns, 13 RPK rifles, six rocket-propelled grenade launchers, 16 RPG rockets, and about 40 hand grenades.
MPs shadow 18-wheelers
The firefight took place the morning of March 20, as the squad of Kentucky MPs were shadowing a convoy on a supply route southeast of Baghdad.
Twenty-six supply vehicles, many of which were 18-wheelers, were heading south on the heavily traveled route. They were driving one behind the other like ducks in a row, with a security convoy of three gun trucks interlaced between – one up front, one in the middle, one in the rear.
Trailing the convoy and not far out of sight were the 617th MPs in three armored Humvees.
Each Humvee contained a trio of Soldiers, each laden with weapons and gear, except for the trail vehicle, which also carried a medic. Gunners stood ready in the turrets with .50-caliber machine guns and Mark-19 grenade launchers.
The vehicle commanders, drivers and medic kept their eyes peeled and weapons at the ready just in case something out of the ordinary happened. That morning, something did.
Ambush kicks up dust
"We observed the convoy we were trailing starting to make erratic movements," said Staff Sgt. Timothy F. Nein, leader, second squad.
"We saw a lot of dust being kicked up by the convoy vehicles, as if they were being engaged by an (improvised explosive device) or an ambush, so we knew something was wrong.
"My gunner said he could hear shots being fired, so we picked up the pace," Nein said.
"We moved to contact," Nein said. "We got the vehicles on the contact side, in between the convoy and the insurgents. As we got up on that side of the road, we realized through previous reconnaissance of the area that there was a road that paralleled the field going south."
MPs flank insurgents
The squad then proceeded down the main road and took a right onto the side road to flank the insurgents. "At that time," Nein said, "We noticed seven vehicles the insurgents had staged and ready.
"Doors open, trunks open; ready for a quick escape. Once we turned down that road, the insurgents didn't have a choice but to stay and fight. We had just cut off their escape route."
As soon as the squad rolled into the fray, the insurgents adjusted fire.
"As we came on the scene, the insurgents' fire all shifted," said Nein. "They realized who they needed to fire on.
"They quickly shifted all fire from the transportation convoy to us. As soon as we cut back to get in between the convoy and the insurgents, the windshield of my driver (Sgt. Dustin T. Morris) took two direct hits. The bullets failed to defeat the armored glass," Nein said.
Humvee armor helps MPs
Atop the same truck was .50-cal. gunner Spc. Casey M. Cooper. He said when they turned down the side road, massive gunfire was coming their way.
Rounds from small arms came toward them and impacted the rear door and its window, which yet again failed to penetrate the Humvee's armor. What happened next shocked and stunned Cooper.
"I just saw something coming at me, and fast. It just so happened to be a (rocket propelled grenade)," he said.
The round impacted right above the rear passenger door, right below where Cooper was positioned in the turret.
"It knocked me out – completely unconscious," he said.
Originally posted by NuclearHead
If they care so much about civilians, how come they left three American civilians to be slaughtered?
Originally posted by NuclearHead
If they care so much about civilians, how come they left three American civilians to be slaughtered?
Three KBR truck drivers were killed that day. They are Keven Dagit, 42 (in truck 3), of Jefferson, Iowa; Christopher Lem, 40, (in truck 1) of Lyndon Station, Wisconsin; and Sascha Grenner-Case (in truck 4) of Sierra Vista, Arizona. Preston Wheeler, who lives in Arkansas, was shot and barely survived. Two other drivers, including Terry Steward (in truck 2) of Idaho, were also injured.
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Originally posted by NuclearHead
If they care so much about civilians, how come they left three American civilians to be slaughtered?
Ive said this already. The guy you hear talking on the video is ALIVE. They showed this video on the news recently, and they interviewed the guy that took the video. He was shot twice but is still alive. He was saved by the US military. He waited there for his support, and it came.
Originally posted by ignorant_ape
Originally posted by NuclearHead
If they care so much about civilians, how come they left three American civilians to be slaughtered?
a better question , well two . :
1 - do you have any evidence they were " left to die " -- they could have died in the first hail of fire / IED blast
the first salvo of any ambush is generally the most deadly
2 - and the real duzy , how the fook did wheeler survive for 40 minuites , as claime - " alone , unarmed and under fire " ???
Originally posted by NuclearHead
But he did survive alone
Originally posted by NuclearHead
1)No, if you watch the video, the drivers were executioned point blank in front of Wheeler's eyes.
2) #, that got me wondering too. I just don't understand, seems to me like he got lucky, and his prayers to god were answered. But he did survive alone, the military just left as soon as the trucks were disable.
Question...Did you actually watch the video, or you're just assuming things here. Go watch the video (if you haven't) and we'll talk.
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
USA casualtys in Iraq = 2712
USA casualtys in vietnam = 58209
Our military has grown much much stronger and bigger since vietnam. Iraq hasn't even seen the beginning of our power.
[edit on 30-9-2006 by LAES YVAN]
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Originally posted by NuclearHead
But he did survive alone
No he did not. He survived along with 2 other people. 3 in total died, and 3 survived.
Get your facts straight.
Originally posted by Daystar
WTF are you talking about?
You get away with posting your unsavoury undercover white supremacist BS all the bloody time!
Originally posted by XphilesPhan
Originally posted by Daystar
WTF are you talking about?
You get away with posting your unsavoury undercover white supremacist BS all the bloody time!
Oh thats bull.... I attempt to expose the double standard and sometimes do so without having the "white guilt" crap force fed down my throat.
I would never do anything to harm another human being because they werent white...
I do not consider anyone of any race inferior....
I offer well presented arguments on why there is such a racial taboo on whites...why there is a double standard.... Why should whites have to remain silenced of injustices done to them for something they had no part in, only their ancestors?
Why can a balck guy scream obscenities and racial slurs at whites and we have to not be offended?
I believe in TRUE equality....where there is no guilt trip....Where employment and education opportunities are granted based on merit and not "affirmative action".
I dislike living in a lop sided world and calling it "equality" when it is clearly not equality.....
No one should be excused or be accused because of what happened to their ancestors or what their ancestors did.
Are we truly living in a society where sins of the father are passed down? I thought we had moved beyond this but the more I look at the current situation the more I see this.
I want a society with no exemptions and no guilt along racial lines....
We cant fix the past....but we sure as hell can fix the future....but those who wont let go of the past will never move forward. see my point?
Originally posted by NuclearHead
Originally posted by LAES YVAN
Originally posted by NuclearHead
But he did survive alone
No he did not. He survived along with 2 other people. 3 in total died, and 3 survived.
Get your facts straight.
I said ALONE not ALONG. Alone as in:
1. I want to be alone.
2. to the exclusion of all others or all else: One cannot live by bread alone.
3. unique; unequaled; unexcelled: He is alone among his peers in devotion to duty.
–adverb
4. solitarily; solely: She prefers to live alone.
5. only; exclusively.
6. without aid or help: The baby let go of the side of the crib and stood alone.
—Idioms
Ger your language straight.
Originally posted by sbob
Cowards hide there face as a combatant. Cowards hide with the civilan population.
Cowards live in Syria and do not care about the regime in their own country, but complain about people in others.
What the geneva conventions actually says is that, a resistance movement has to bare arms openly, and wear some sort of visible insignia. The resistance satisfies both of these conditions.
Furthermore, the geneva conventions states explicity that the merchant marine is a legitimate target no matter what clothes they where.
Have you even read the geneva conventions willard?
I would thank you to remember, that they are tresspassing on peoples homes and city streets, destroying their country and acting like it's their right to do so. Stress is always what you americans blame their criminal behaviour, they raped a 14 yr old girl inorder to "distress" , are we nothing more than stress balls to you? well not everyone will take that kind of treatement sitting down.
As for your comments about the resistance, it's obvious that despite your propoganda, the people in iraq and around the world love them. in the midst of warfare it is the losing party that must innitiate a surrender perhaps with the wave of a white flag, otherwise how will the enemy know it's safe to approach.
I too wish for a Free and peaceful iraq, and the only way to be free is to rid iraq of occupation so that the people can have self determination without US influence and controll. It's funny when you talk about freedom, because you obviously have no meaning as to what it is. The more you stay in Iraq, the more you will die, it's as simple as that, the people won't grow to love you, nor do they appretiate your murderous ways. It's up to you as to wether you want to go out walking or leave in a body bag.