2,000,000 Terrorists in Britain

Terrorists, and proud of it.

Thats the message of the report below.

Shocked?

UK has 3 million muslim citizens.

US has over 6 million Arab Americans.

Europe has around 50 million muslim citizens.

Islam is gaining converts from all quaters. This is a nightmare senario.


Daily Mail


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Mr Con - this is media propoganda by Gov organisations, this ensures separatism on all social levels.

It is meant to keep everybody fearful of their neighbour - do not believe a word of it.

Mr Conspiracy, you're quoting the Daily Mail. I wouldn't use the Daily Mail to clean my shoes with, it's a vile and ranting right-wing rag. My Fiancee has now learnt not to listen to my muttering and twitching whenever I read it. It's quite inaccurate, or puts a massive spin on things.
Its protestations on the MMR jab were pandering to scaremongers.
It's still to the right of Genghis Khan. Quoting it is not going to boost your chances of persuading people about the merits of your argument.

What did you expect? Everyone is going around calling Muslims terrorists instead of the tiny minority of Muslims that are actually doing anything wrong. If i was in there position I would be on the brink of saying # it if i cant walk down the street without getting a second look I may as well be a terrorist.

But i do agree with Valorian, where on Earth did they get that 2 million number from? did they do out and ask 2 million Muslims is they are terrorists?

Those who are saying basically that there just threats. There saying if you keep treating us like terrorists what do you expect will happen, we will eventually become terrorists.

The Daily Mail is a notoriously right wing publication. High on conservative rhetoric, low on balanced journalism:

The Daily Mail is a British newspaper, currently a tabloid, first published in 1896. It is Britain's most popular paper after The Sun and arguably the most right-wing. Its sister paper, the Mail on Sunday was launched in 1982, and an Irish version of the paper was launched on 6 February 2006. The Daily Mail was Britain's first daily newspaper aimed at what is now considered the middle-market and the first to sell 1 million copies a day.

The Mail was originally a broadsheet, but switched to its current tabloid format on 3 May 1971, on the 75th anniversary of its founding (on this date it also absorbed the Daily Sketch, which had previously been published as a tabloid by the same company). Its chief rival, the Daily Express, has a similar political stance and target audience, but sells fewer than half as many copies. As of 2005 the publisher of the Mail, the Daily Mail and General Trust, is a FTSE 100 company and the paper has a circulation of more than two million, the second largest circulation of any English language daily newspaper, and the twelfth highest of any newspaper.

It has a long and lurid history of fear mongering and sensationalist reporting:

The paper was accused of warmongering before the outbreak of World War I, when it reported that Germany was planning to crush the British Empire. Northcliffe created controversy by advocating conscription when the war broke out. On 21 May 1915, Northcliffe wrote a blistering attack on Lord Kitchener, the Secretary of State for War. Kitchener was considered a national hero, and overnight the paper's circulation dropped from 1,386,000 to 238,000. 1,500 members of the London Stock Exchange ceremonially burned the unsold copies and launched a boycott against the Harmsworth Press. Prime Minister H. H. Asquith accused the paper of being disloyal to the country.

In 1924 the Daily Mail published the forged Zinoviev Letter which indicated that British Communists were planning violent Revolution. It was widely believed that this was a significant factor in the defeat of Ramsay MacDonald's Labour Party in the 1924 general election, held four days later. (In some Labour circles, eg by former Labour leader Michael Foot, the paper is often referred to as 'The Forgers' Journal')

In early 1934 Rothermere and the Mail were sympathetic to Oswald Mosley and the British Union of Fascists. Rothermere wrote an article, Hurrah for the Blackshirts, in January 1934, in which he praised Mosley for his "sound, commonsense, Conservative doctrine", though after the violence of the 1934 Olympia meeting involving the BUF the Mail withdrew its support for Mosley.

Rothermere was a friend and supporter of both Mussolini and Adolf Hitler, which influenced the Mail's political stance toward them up to 1939. During this period it was the only British newspaper to consistently support the German Nazi Party. Rothermere visited and corresponded with Hitler on many occasions; on 1 Oct 1938, Rothermere sent him a telegram in support of Germany's invasion of the Sudetenland, and expressing the hope that 'Adolf the Great' would become a popular figure in England.

In 1937, the Mail's Chief Correspondent G. Ward Price, to whom Mussolini once personally wrote in support of him and the newspaper, published a book, I Know These Dictators, in defence of Hitler and Mussolini.

"Daily Mail reader" has become something of a phrase in its own right in the UK, as has its nickname 'The Daily Hell'. The stereotypical Daily Mail reader is characterised as an insular, homophobic, aspiring middle-class conservative who lacks the intelligence to read the broadsheet equivalent the Daily Telegraph, and is stuck in the past. A roughly opposite stereotype to "Daily Mail reader" is the "Guardian reader" (denoting left-wing intellectuals); this epitomises the conflict between the classic right- and left-wing viewpoints in British middle-class society.

Source.

I hope you'll forgive me if I choose to pay absolutely no mind to anything published by that laughably biased comic.

Geee .. gimme a break, total bogus.

BTW, call everyone terrorist is a new fashion?

New buzzword definitely though.



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Originally posted by mr conspiracy
Terrorists, and proud of it.

Thats the message of the report below.

Shocked?

UK has 3 million muslim citizens.

Islam is gaining converts from all quaters. This is a nightmare senario.

There's a lot of twaddle on ATS, and this thread is right up there with the best of it. According to the Daily Mail article you cited,

Dr Bari declared... "If that demonisation continues, then Britain will have to deal with two million Muslim terrorists..."

The message from Dr Bari appeared to .... contain a measure of exaggeration - according to the last national census, there are fewer than 1.6 million Muslims in the country.

So, not content with quoting a lurid source known for pandering to the nastiest side of UK culture, and for exaggeration in pursuit of a racist agenda, you exaggerate still further and almost double the number of Muslims in the country.

You then, presumably in support of your assertion that "Islam is gaining converts from all quaters" (sic). post a link about someone who could easily be a US/Israeli mole within Al Qaeda.

Sadly this story is actually not very far from the Truth;

From the Article:

"If you attack a whole community, it becomes despondent and aggressive."

The Problem arises, when the Media, the Goverment, the Police and the entire State Aparatus starts to treat Muslims as Terrorists - and start to pin the out of the society, like for example a separate boarding terminal for Muslims at the airport. But if you ask me that is the Grand Plan of those Idiots in Control (and I do not mean Blair or Bush), but the REAL Puppet Masters, who pull all da strings; I guess they have come up with a plan to start to Divide the general public to Muslim-Haters and Islamo-Phobics - and to those who do NOT disagree with that or are Muslim themselves.

And we are not very far from this happening in Europe - or America.

I can see responses from memberso of this board - and I can say that since 9-11 2001 people have grown very impatent toward the Muslim community.

EVEN if there are numerous articles about how 9-11 was an inside job, how 7-7 was an inside job, how Pentagon was an inside job - actually how EVERYTHING that was leading toward the Holy Crusade against the Muslim population is a complet and utter LIE.

Well - as is this Article; but sadly it is not far away from the Truth, since when you start treating People like Terrorists and Criminals on the basis of their Religious belifs, you will certainly get a re-action to that.

A Very Nice Plan I must say.

But this is what puzzles me - from the Article:

"When the IRA was blowing people up, the entire Catholic population of Britain was not demonised, so why is it happening to the Muslim community?"

Ey?

So why is it?

Can you see behind the Curtains of the War on Terrorism and see through the Lies and Deceptions, what is the Bigger picture of this Crisis we have?

Can you?

Muslims can be divided into two camps:active terrorists or syphertetic to the cause,period!

"When the IRA was blowing people up, the entire Catholic population of Britain was not demonised, so why is it happening to the Muslim community?"

No, but if you have ever been to northern Ireland during the conflict, you would of seen that the catholics as an entire group were treated with the deepest suspicion by the troops, and rightly so. If a Priest, and a doctor have to be forced to work at gun point in South Armagh to treat / tend british troops, you then see the level of hatred the catholics had for British rule and potestants.


Now moving onto Muslims. They want their own laws to govern them. They want their own courts to judge them, they have their own quasi parliment that passes laws just for them. They want housing which is not intergrated, just for them. They want schools for their girls so they can wear jihab all day long - no christians / other religions allowed because it offends them.

Look at the world around you on a daily basis. Most wars are being fought against Muslim seperatists. They don't want to be with other peoples, they want it all their own way - and that includeds the UK Muslim population.

The USA has every right to put the UK at the top of its terrorists list, because we are chock full of sympathisers. Where there are sympathisers, there are shooters / bombers. You watch, next 10 /15 years these things will want seperate states within the UK for muslims, you just wait and see. They are a threat within, because instead of intergration and friendship, they want seperation and suspicion.

jeez some people really need to go out into the real world and interact with people from diffrent backgrounds and faiths,
if everyone did that and werent drawn in by properganda and biased reports then maybe they wouldnt be isolated or try and isolate others.

also only a few muslims want an islamic state
i will say this from experiance (i am a british muslim and know countless of others)
and trust me when i say countless, i havent met a single one of them who preach death to britain or want a islamic state.
and those that know me, know what i am like

also on the issue since the war against terror
the united states is reponsible for the deaths of countless thousends of muslims,
most caused by accident,revenge,terrorist and so forth but still thanks to the US invasions, so does this make all americans blood thirsty murders?
i mean the americans voted in a nut case for a president so they must be responsible for his action?
even if they didnt vote for him.

Muslims can be divided into two camps:active terrorists or syphertetic to the cause,period!

how about a third who dont give a cr**p (no offence your reply just sucked)

i finish my reply of by urging people to get off their back sides and go out and interact with the people you are afraid of or are told to see with suspition.

if anyone has any questions about islam or muslims in general and so forth
feel free to PM me and i will try my best to answer the questions (the least i can do to shine some light on some things)

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two words

Daily Mail. enough said.

those guys supported Hitler and Mosley

Originally posted by infinite
two words

Daily Mail. enough said.

those guys supported Hitler and Mosley

to be honest all papers suck (they all have their own agenda)

Daily mail (will publish anything)
the Sun only good for page 3 (not that i buy the SUN)
the Mirror (well thats just plain libral)
the Sport (just tits)
the guardian (good source of news)
the times (quiet good)

Originally posted by D4rk Kn1ght
"When the IRA was blowing people up, the entire Catholic population of Britain was not demonised, so why is it happening to the Muslim community?"

Because, whether you want to admit it or nor, there is virtually no theological basis in christianity for violence, whereas there is massive theological justification for violence in islam.
In point of fact there is only one incident in the entire New testament ehich can even be streched to justify violence, the incident ith jesus and the money lenders in the temple. In order to find any biblical justification for violence, one must go back to the Old testament, which for christians, is merly history supporting jesus's claim to be the messiah.

On the other hand the Quran, Hadiths, and surras, contains not only many justifications for violence, but explicit exhortations by Muhammad himself to engage in violence in order to spread islam.

Furthermore the number of catholics who supported the Ira's tactic was minimal, wheras worldwide muslim opinions supporting terrorism are the norm rather than the exception.

On the other hand the Quran, Hadiths, and surras, contains not only many justifications for violence, but explicit exhortations by Muhammad himself to engage in violence in order to spread islam.

have you read the quran?

if people care to read something before they open their mouths then they woud know more.

the only times the quran allows violance is when one if being prosicuted and not allowed to practice their faith,
it may have a few verses that can be manipulated to ones intrest (which most use to justify the actions of a few)

if you want i will post a link to a translated quran (which is reliable) unlike the one some people use here (no offence skeptic)

This is just getting silly, 2/3 of all british muslims are terrorists. Get a grip.

if everyone starts believing thsi rubbish then it will come true, if you attack a group of people like then then they are going to turn against it. As far as i can see right now the muslim comunity in the UK is tolerating this, but i don't see this toleration lasting forever.

Originally posted by mr conspiracy
Terrorists, and proud of it.

Odd, that you can't even quote your own article properly.

Treating all Muslims as if they were terrorists will encourage large numbers to become terrorists, Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari said.

That is hardly the same as saying that they are all indeed terrorists.

Islam is gaining converts from all quaters. This is a nightmare senario.

I am sure that the wasps in the US were terrified at the idea of socialistic germans and eastern european anarchists immigrating there also. This is hardly a nightmare.

Treat them like trash, and yes, they're not going to be nice to you. Hell, why should they?

Originally posted by ThinksYouAreAnIdiot
Because, whether you want to admit it or nor, there is virtually no theological basis in christianity for violence, whereas there is massive theological justification for violence in islam.

What the heck does that matter? Christians are still wildly violent. The violence has nothing to do with the religion, and islam requires its members to be peaceable, except when they are being attacked. Even then, it makes different rules for how they are permited to counter-attack, reserving the most lethal attacks only for when islamic territory, likesay arabia or egypt, is being defended. Islam actually tries to regulate violence, whereas christianity demands that there be none at all. Both fail.

Originally posted by bodrul

have you read the quran?

Yes I have, along with the hadiths and surras.

if people care to read something before they open their mouths then they woud know more.

I know quite a bit actually, in addition to reading the quran, I have also read the papers of many muslim jurists from the last 13 hundred years. Violence as a toll for spreading Islams political dominance has been a fundamnetal part of islamic scholarship since Muhammad himself.

the only times the quran allows violance is when one if being prosicuted and not allowed to practice their faith,

Untrue. It also allows violence against dhimmi's in Muslim countries, even to the extent that a Muslim may not be killed for killing a dhimmi. It allows violence in the conquest of non-muslim countries therby bringing those countries into dar al Islam, it allows violence against non-muslims who refuse to pay the jizya, as well as those who attempt to evangelise in muslims countries.

it may have a few verses that can be manipulated to ones intrest (which most use to justify the actions of a few)

More than a few. In fact as a result of the concept of abrogation, virtually all of the tolerant verses were abrogated by later more warlike verses.

if you want i will post a link to a translated quran (which is reliable) unlike the one some people use here (no offence skeptic)

Like I said I have read it


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Look at all the countries in the world where wars are being fought, and you will see that if it is not tribal it is islamists wanting a seperate state within a state. They are taking land by force because they deem to have a large enough majority within a country.

Saying islam is a peaceful religion is like saying a brick has great aerodynamic properties.

Oh to all those that keep bleating 'have you read the quran', well it seems like a massive world wide failing on the part of muslims to read their own book then doesn't it?

There were no reasons for the london suicide bombings, but they did them any how, because they found a cause in a war a long way away, when if they wanted to protest, why not try voting or marching instead of blowing up innocents on a bus or tube??

yeah yeah im sure your going to pull out the racist card any minute, so instead, how about going out to the Muslims and telling them that they are supposed to be peaceful people? maybe then they won't condone terrorism if you point out their failings to them...

Oh and if they think they are hard done by in the UK, point out to them that all the rest of us are ruled by the UK parliment in London, but oh no not the Muslims, they want their own special parliment to rule just over them... muslims only....

Very intergrative way to show your part of a country - not.