Putin orders Russian special services to kill iraqi kidnappers

Putin has ordered his special services to "find and destroy" the Iraqi kidnappers responsible for the death of four Russian diplomats..

The head of Russia's security services immediately pledged to see Putin's order carried out. The Russian government confirmed the four men's deaths this week, after an insurgent group released a video showing two of them being killed.
The group had demanded Russia leave Chechnya and release Muslim prisoners

news.bbc.co.uk...

It seems the Russians do not plan on mucking around.

" However much time and effort it requires, we will work to this end "
Russian security chief, Nikolai Patrushev

I believe this is a worthy response to the situation, although nowhere does it acknowledge the Russians plans to work with the Iraqi government or the U.S forces there. It seems they are looking to act independantly..

As far as i knew Russia has had no forces in Iraq anyway..?

As far as i knew Russia has had no forces in Iraq anyway..?

Watch for any increase in "diplomatic" activity at the Russian Embassy.....

The Russians are taking the right approach to the situation. In all likelihood the Russians have agents who will supply them with the intel needed to find the kidnappers. Members of the Russian special forces team in Iraq will probably have an arbaic background.

well, all i have to say is that i wouldn't want to be those kidnappers. either way they're not there to support the military effort in irag so i'm glad.

Russia has a different way of dealing with these things than US does. Putin made a special point to fully revenge for any murder of its citizens by rebels or terrorists. He even publically stated that "We will find and destroy them even in the sh*tter".

US approach is to go in full scale, and fight the whole throng. It has its benefits- if you are successful you will cut off the weeds with the roots- kill those responsible and make sure it won;t happen again. But like we see now with war on terror this approach has a major setback when you are faced with restraining huge populations in foreign lands.

Russian approach, is to hunt those responsible down like prey. (Much like Iraeli Mossad in you saw 'Munich'). They will find those who did the crime (trust me that this they will surely do). They will probably torture and kill them, those that work with them, plan with them, live with them, and know anything about the killings. They will kill them one by one not at the same time, so that the other prey is afraid as it sees its partners go down. Then it will quitely retire. You will not hear it on the news, and you will not know about.

This way has its benefits in that it really puts fear into those that are responsible. They know that no one will help them. No liberal European states will trumpet their anti-imperialist courage. No one will promote them to martyrs. No one will want to sit in the same room or car with them, because they know its an equivalent with sitting next to time bomb. Those that will want to carry out terrorist attacks again will know that they better die trying. Because if they live they will suffer far more.

[edit on 28-6-2006 by maloy]

see, despite the fullscale offensives that the US does i really wonder about their ability of actually hitting the target. Ability of hitting a needle in a haystack anywhere in the world *cough* *bull*. the only thing they ever managed to hit was an entire country with 30000 troops. unlike them the spetsnaz actaully find and kill their targets without dropping bombs randomly and hopping to hit. Getting rid of the roots, i don't think so either. If you invade a country you case more death and chaos, and after that 10 years time the kids of those you killed will be comming after you. you're not ripping out the roots, you are planting seeds.

[edit on 3-7-2006 by sanctum]

Exactly. Russia has learned its lesson in Afganistan and Chechnya. Now it has a new strategy that so far has worked in Chechnya. Like the US, Russia will never get rid of all of its enemies (and with radical Islamism there is never a shortage of those), and there is no point in trying. The US on the other hand keeps stepping in the same puddle as it did with Vietnam.

As for the terrorists- I think one would be more afraid of Russia than US. US gives out tons of warnings and ultimatums- enough time for the bad guys to hide a city and make dinner- and them bombs the place where only civilians are left. Russian comes without warning, and leaves before anybody (who is left alive that is) has a chance to determine what happened.

Amen to that. remember the terrorist group that broke through the border on christmas. They didn't even know they were being picke doff until it was beyond too late. That is something pretty dam scary.

All of you are right. No one can f# with us Russians. If someone f#s with us, they will die! We are predators. The terrorists and rebels are the prey. Wipe them out one by one, capture and torture the survivors, and strike terror in the heart of the enemy. The Spetsnaz are particularley good at that. You shoot one bullet at them, they will shoot 1000 back at you. Mercilessly, relentlessly. My message to the terrorists and rebels is back off......................before its too late.

I'm not a huge fan of Putin but I'll certainly give him applause for having the balls to come out and say we need to hunt down and slaughter these Islamic terrorists like the pigs they are.

Well up Putin

About time someone actually decides to do something about these extremists, hunt em down and do the same to them!

Originally posted by maloy
Russian approach, is to hunt those responsible down like prey. (Much like Iraeli Mossad in you saw 'Munich'). They will find those who did the crime (trust me that this they will surely do). They will probably torture and kill them, those that work with them, plan with them, live with them, and know anything about the killings. They will kill them one by one not at the same time, so that the other prey is afraid as it sees its partners go down. Then it will quitely retire. You will not hear it on the news, and you will not know about.

I dont condone torture but otherwise the US government should take notice of what the Russians are doing. The current strategy in iraq will fail. I doubt that anything will change Americans seem to be traped in a single mind set and the current set of leaders in the Whitehouse would screw things up if they were put in charge of a hotdog stand.

Insurgents seem to be far wiser than American military planners, who got their degrees in elite military academies. They observe US tactics dating back from Vietnam, and constanty reorganize their own tactics. Yes their tactics are dirty, but what do you expect having to fight the world's strongest police force. US on the other hand keeps repeating the same mistake over and over. But of course the theory is US is not fighting a war to win- it is fighting a war to keep its military contractors in business- huge corporate conglomerates like Haliburton and GE that run the whole country. After all the main American industry is no longer automobiles, or computers- it is war technology.

Russia on the other hand has no interest to tie itself up occupying foreign nations. It made the mistake once with Afganistan, learned its lesson, and is not repeating that again anytime soon. It only interferes in foreign relations if other countries actually want it to (like Cuba and North Korea). Otherwise it limits its activity within its own borders, and tries to maintain friendly relations with its neighbors (like kazakhstan, China, Mongolia, Finland, Turkey. US military planners should learn a lesson or too, but they are too busy looking into ways to please Haliburton Boeing and GE.



Oh and torture is the only language these degenerate religious fanatics understand. Thats the proper way of negotiating with them. They do not fear death or imprisonment. however some good Russian torture methods will get them to say anything. Thats negotiation the mujahedeen style.

[edit on 1-7-2006 by maloy]

Originally posted by kojac

Putin has ordered his special services
to "find and destroy" the Iraqi kidnappers
responsible for the death of four Russian diplomats..

This order came on the very same day
He kissed a little boy on the stomach...

Who was that adorable child ?

We live in interesting times



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Originally posted by xpert11
I dont condone torture but otherwise the US government should take notice of what the Russians are doing. The current strategy in iraq will fail. I doubt that anything will change Americans seem to be traped in a single mind set and the current set of leaders in the Whitehouse would screw things up if they were put in charge of a hotdog stand.

Just remember that the American military is forced to wage a PC-correct war. Our hands are shackled by the media, who are on top of every move we make, and a certain segment of our populace that demands that we afford these terrorists every consideration under the sun. Take away these barriers and you'll see different results.

Putin, on the other hand, is not forced to wear a skirt, as our men are. He knows what needs to be done, and goes about doing it.

We're constantly told that we must care about what the rest of the world thinks of us. Putin, on the other hand, couldn't care less.

The terrorists know that we are shackled, and take advantage of that fact. And they laugh at us.

Blame the bleeding hearts, not our military.

[edit on 3-7-2006 by jsobecky]

Jsobecky is right that the US is restricted in what it can do. Russia has been in this situation before, ony the people that were kidnaped were still alive. Rusia then kidnaped one of the suspected terrorist, quickly killed him, made it look like a possibility of torcher and returned the body. The two that were kidnaped were quickley relised un harmed. That method does work, and I feel it will work for Rusia again.

Originally posted by Russian soldier
All of you are right. No one can f# with us Russians. If someone f#s with us, they will die! We are predators. The terrorists and rebels are the prey. Wipe them out one by one, capture and torture the survivors, and strike terror in the heart of the enemy. The Spetsnaz are particularley good at that. You shoot one bullet at them, they will shoot 1000 back at you. Mercilessly, relentlessly. My message to the terrorists and rebels is back off......................before its too late.

What an Answer!

You mean like the Russians "Excellently" eliminated the threat of Chechens?

Oh I mean Banditen...

What a Great Operation that was!

Mothers of Beslan still have to thank president Yeltsin for such a wonderful intervention, which left hundred of thousands innocent civilians Dead and several thousand angry Chechens planning to attack somewhere in Russia.

So what is your wonderful tactic this time?

Carpet Bombing?

Well, the Russians have never done things by halves. Something similar happened in the 80's in Beruit. A KGB agent got nabbed, so the KGB grabbed some prisoners of their own and sent them back in small boxes. They never had another problem, at least that was made known.

And besides, there's tons of Russian agents already in place. They were working hard to help Saddam get the sensitive stuff out of the country prior to the invasion. And they served as advisors on many different things, so they already have an intelligence infrastrcture in place. I'm I'm sure there are plenty still there. They get to monitor our equipment, tactics, and radio traffic from the front row.

I think its an excellent idea and one the U.S. should adopt. more precision strikes and wiping out the opposition individually certainly would be a much cleaner idea. You dont use a sledge hammer to smash a fly.

Looks like nobody reads anymore.

From the article
Occupiers blamed
Separately, the lower house of the Russian parliament approved a statement condemning the killings, and appearing to blame Iraq's "occupying powers".
"The whole responsibility for the situation in Iraq, including guaranteeing the security of its citizens, and also foreign specialists, as before lies on the occupying powers," the statement said.

Interesting, no?

[edit on 3-7-2006 by yanchek]