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Originally posted by MikePhil
Any animal has a natural need to have sex. You can come up with 2315847894 science studies and theories, this one you cannot decline; if you dont want to have sex something is wrong with you period. Ok, you may have a time where you are not in the mood, but sooner or later, you will want to. Why ? Its a natural thing! Some animals even do thousands of miles in order to reproduce.
Its actually funny you bring science into this, since it was recently discovered that most animals have sex relations with several partners (yes infidelity is around even in the animal kingdom). Yeah i know, we are humans not animals, even tho - and sorry if i am hurting someone beliefs here - making sex just for the pleasure of it (making it with someone you dont love) isnt wrong. Its simply natural.
Originally posted by Funkydung
um overpopulation? sex has got ramped in the world today and as a result way too many people. the result of that? nastyness. diseases. kids having kids. almost every problem we face today is a result of too many people. our creator knew this and that is why love and sex are combined in his plan.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
For those of you who think marriage had anything to do with love when it was established, think again. Marriage was a social instituion, a business arrangement usually between families to secure inheritance, property and breeding rights, and insure the family name. Love had nothing to do with it. In fact, until relatively recently in human history, the person you married was not necessarily someone you loved, but someone who was chosen by your parents. In fact, in many societies, it was common for people, both men and women, to marry a person for social reasons, yet have affairs with someone they loved.
I do see the sex conspiracy in religon. However, i will venture to say it is a conspiracy to control FEMALE sexuality.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
For those of you who think marriage had anything to do with love when it was established, think again. Marriage was a social instituion, a business arrangement usually between families to secure inheritance, property and breeding rights, and insure the family name. Love had nothing to do with it. In fact, until relatively recently in human history, the person you married was not necessarily someone you loved, but someone who was chosen by your parents. In fact, in many societies, it was common for people, both men and women, to marry a person for social reasons, yet have affairs with someone they loved.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Greed, pride, envy, and lust are all deadly sins, and are the basis of plenty of marriages.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
So when two unmarried people love each other and have sex, then that should be better in gods eyes than two people who dont love each other but marry for money and family pride. However, its not the case in Christianity. Another thing about the religon that makes no sense.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
And besides, not everyone in life loves one single person. Some people feel real love for more than one person. Its possible to love more than one person. Some people think you can only love one person. But this is a notion born on selfishness and possesiveness. Love isnt a tap that only flows one way.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Marriage in the biblical and Koranic sense pretty much boils down to women being property, sexual objects, and tools of breeding to carry on a mans desire to satisfy his ego by producing heirs. it has nothing to do with mutual love.
Originally posted by zerotolerance
First off, God doesn't care about your history lesson. He goes back further then you. Your history lesson makes Him laugh.
Also, marriage is not an animal act. I have yet to see animals get married.
And again, we are not animals. Man was given intellect, which means he could think and reason. As a rational being, man was unique in creation and clearly distinct from the animals.
Now you understand why marriages don't last and the divorce rate is sky high......
To a Christian, both of these are wrong....that makes you wrong also.
True, not everyone in life "experiences love just once". But, loving more than one person (romantic/intimate love) at one time is just plain wrong. That in itself, is selfishness, possessiveness, idolatry and greed. Your tap needs fixing......
Do yourself a big favor.....never get married. Because based upon your beliefs, your relationship sounds like it might be doomed.
Originally posted by zerotolerance
Originally posted by masterp
But why? why does religion say so?
Because when two lay down together not only do their bodies entwine, but so do their souls. They become "one". When you engage in intimate pleasure with your mate it is God's gift of expressing your love. Sex and love were not meant to be separated. They were meant to go hand in hand. When you separate the two and throw love out the door, you are solely acting on lust (one of the 7 deadly sins). When you engage in sex without love you are essentially making the other person an "object" for sexual gratification....they have become an object to idolize (idolatry), no longer a human being, but an object for your lust, to quench it solely for selfish reasons (to attain an orgasm for your own pleasure, regardless of your feeling for that person).
Originally posted by masterp
...most propably the man was a priest or a king or a spiritual leader of some kind.
...or God.
Maybe if you read up more on Him you'll understand His rules and why He made them for you. Read Romans and Corinthians and this whole sex subject might make more sense.
Originally posted by zerotolerence: First off, God doesn't care about your history lesson. He goes back further then you. Your history lesson makes Him laugh.
Originally posted by theTRUTHtheWAY
I couldn't have written it any better.
That pretty much explains the connection between love and sex. Sex is ment to occur while LOVE is present. You do not want betray a soal because every one you messed with takes you further away from divinity and GOD.
I think when God spoke of "divine" he/she/it meant the divine and sacred love of a woman. If you look at our culture now and how dirty and lustful the women are of today its just plane to see they are nowhere near the divinity of GOD nor are we men.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
I don't know about your god, but I know that many christian fanatics and extremists do not have any use for history or science, since it tends to question the literal accuracy and disprove the more outrageous claims of extreme fundementalist religous types.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
As a pagan, nothing pleases me more than to be wrong in the eyes of your religon and yourself. I was raised as a fundementalist Christian, and found it to be anti nature, anti human, anti life, anti-peace, and anti-happieness. So thank you for your compliment. I am happy to be the sum of all thats "evil" in the eyes of fanatics.
True, not everyone in life "experiences love just once". But, loving more than one person (romantic/intimate love) at one time is just plain wrong. That in itself, is selfishness, possessiveness, idolatry and greed. Your tap needs fixing......
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Just plain wrong? By YOUR standards. My tap is just fine. It sounds to me like your own tap is incapable of dispensing true, selfless, unpossesive love. maybe YOU need the plumber.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Besides, my life might be a bit too complex for someone as narrow minded as yourself to understand.
Originally posted by MikePhil
Any animal has a natural need to have sex.
Originally posted by Nygdan
AngelaLadyS, we are all here to discuss. None of us need a lecture, anyone can verify the claims for themselves. Please try to discuss these things with your fellow posters.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
In fact, until relatively recently in human history, the person you married was not necessarily someone you loved, but someone who was chosen by your parents.
Go back several thousand years to what Christianity was replacing; the babylonian mystery religions, egyptian cults, Nature based pagan beliefs, Etc. Most of these religions Sex was a intregral part.
Women were revered as practically gods because only gods and women can create life.
What we could call a prostitute used to be a priestess
She was given a coin (which went into the temples funds) and she would give men the experience
zerotolerance
Animals can't reason and don't have sex to express love. As a rational being, man was unique in creation and clearly distinct from the animals
As a rational being, man was unique in creation and clearly distinct from the animals.
Now you understand why marriages don't last and the divorce rate is sky high
To a Christian, both of these are wrong....that makes you wrong also.
But, loving more than one person (romantic/intimate love) at one time is just plain wrong. That in itself, is selfishness, possessiveness, idolatry and greed.
Do yourself a big favor.....never get married. Because based upon your beliefs, your relationship sounds like it might be doomed.
Originally posted by zerotolerance
I'm not a fundamentalist and I don't super subscribe to any one church. By birth I am Catholic, but don't subscribe to all the tenets of the Catholic faith. I am nothing more thsn a believer in God/Jesus, and his rules and commandments, because I know them to be the Truth (which obviously you have decided to reject)
Pagan? LOL! That explains your godless attitude. Pagans are afraid of God, that's why they turn from Him. They don't want to be held accountable for their sins...so they say, "I don't believe." Takes all that guilt away.......
So, you are happy to be portrayed as evil. This is bad. This speaks volumes about what your soul is about. Unlike you I was not raised a fundamentalist. Sounds like that warped fundamentalist upbringing led to your fall. Equating Christianity with anti-nature, anti-humanism, anti-life, anti-peace and anti-happiness....well, this just proves you couldn't fathom it. You just didn't grasp it. You never understood it because you refused to acknowledge God as your creator, so you turned your back on him and use your wit, your wisdom, your sharp tongue to disprove Him. Keep in mind that those who knew Him and understood Him, then turned their back on Him will be judged the harshest, Mr. Ex-Fundammentalist.
You're being a hypocrite here. What would your wife think about you sleeping around behind her back or even in her face? This is WRONG behavior and not conducive to a healthy emotional, loving relationship at all. If you think this is healthy and normal then your sense of love is distorted and warped to fit your selfish needs. If you can't see that then your blind. Want to destroy your relationship.....have an adulterous affair. People who cheat or look for outside sex are selfish, self-centered, sex-greedy individuals that lack conscience, integrity, self-esteem, morals, respect, honor, loyalty and truth. They live to satisfy their selves regardless of the effect it has on the one who loves them. That's evil, pain and simple.
Not complex at all, just Godless and hedonistic, without remorse.
Originally posted by Nygdan
And the concept of the "love marriage" is only prevalent in the western nations at that. AND the divorce rates are highest in those countries.
Originally posted by masterp
Have you ever wondered why sex is a sin for Christianity? The christian view is that any form of sex not for reproduction under marriage is a sin. But why? why does religion say so?....Sex is liberating...sex is a rebellious act.
Originally posted by masterpThis paradox is actually setup right from the beginning, with Adam and Eve. The tree of knowledge of good and bad is a metaphor for having a way of thinking that is liberating...sex is forbitten, because it is an eye opening experience.