What are they watching YOU for??

Originally posted by doctorfungi
Put it this way. There are NO cameras in your house. If you are going to do something private - do it at home.

You are in a public place. Expect to be watched.

This is true. Unless you wanted to sit in a park and do something just slightly off color with your loved one when no one was around. Everyone does once in a while. Do you want to feel like you were being spied on all the time?

Live your life! Take resonable precautions, if somethng happens it happens while you are alive and free, instead of wlking around in a gigantic zoo with the zoo keepers watching th animals. I am a human being not some animal that needs to be peeked at while I scratch myself when no one is around. You want to be protected? Buy yourself a handgun and learn use how to use it. Leave the rest of us to our privacy while in the public!

I dont need a big brother and niether does anyone else. I dont need a weapon and do not own one, but if I felt threatened and needed an equalizer I would certainly do that instead of taking everyones freedom to ba a carefree American apple pie eating person that I am.

Originally posted by interestedalways
AnneStacey, what if the perpetrators of the children gone missing were actually victims of the powers who protect us? David Icke suggests similiar goings on.

Yes I'm aware of that and if children continue to go missing because of the powers that protect us, then I'm not sure there is anything we can do about that. But at least we can protect the children from the large population of sick and twisted individuals living among us.

Can we? Then why aren't we. Statistics show that known family members and friends are the main cause of children being harmed and kidnapped, molested and abused. Cameras won't help that. Kids who are taken out of their own yard by strangers won't be caught on camera unless they are living on the corner.

Originally posted by interestedalways
Can we? Then why aren't we. Statistics show that known family members and friends are the main cause of children being harmed and kidnapped, molested and abused. Cameras won't help that. Kids who are taken out of their own yard by strangers won't be caught on camera unless they are living on the corner.

Well you do have a point, although there was a case here in Florida where a young girl's abduction was caught on camera at a carwash.

So maybe the best alternative is to get rid of the sick twisted freaks. The less disturbed individuals we have in our society now... the less there will be in the future.

And don't let anyone have children without a license that shows they're financially capable of supporting a child and emotionally stable enough to properly raise a child.



[edit on 1-11-2006 by annestacey]

Originally posted by LoneGunMan
I dont need a big brother and niether does anyone else. I dont need a weapon and do not own one, but if I felt threatened and needed an equalizer I would certainly do that instead of taking everyones freedom to ba a carefree American apple pie eating person that I am.

Speak for yourself. There are a lot of dangerous and stupid people in our society who need to be watched. And I would appreciate them being watched... even if that includes watching me.

Originally posted by annestacey
Speak for yourself. There are a lot of dangerous and stupid people in our society who need to be watched. And I would appreciate them being watched... even if that includes watching me.

I agree and know there are a lot of bad monkeys mixed with the good ones, but 99% of society are good. Anne are you going to tell me you never have done, or wanted to do something...colorful when people are not around? I dont want to feel like someone is whaching me all the time.

Problem: They pump the headlines full of bad news and make you scared.

Reaction: You are horrofied and scared and dont know what to do to feel safe.

Solution: They offer cameras on ech street corner, so you can feel safe.

You know Anne if the 99% of society were able to defend themselves, the remaining 1% wouldnt dare attack a society member of good standing. Sure you will see some accidents, but you will see less violent crime than if cameras were the only deterent. If you are that afraid buy a small weapon and learn how to use it.

AnneStacey, I do understand where you are coming from in your stance. I used to feel as you do until I realized what was going on. If we could be kept safe by cameras and security I would be more open to the extreme position of no freedom and the idea of "if you don't have anything to hide, why worry"

It just isn't that easy. We have been fed a strict diet of fear for a really long time now from the media and we have bought into believing that there is no other recourse besides giving up our freedom to move and be without fierce restriction. There is something much bigger at stake here. It is hard to see through the veil of fear for the safety of our loved ones and ourselves.

We are treating symptoms, not root issues.

I wish I could make a better case for my beliefs, just know that people who are so accepting of this Big Brother mentality have been groomed for years to accept what is being proposed. It isn't what it seems to be, this embarkment of Socialist government and a tolatarian society.

Remember the movie about Anne Frank? That is what comes to my mind for our future in this country.

You have voted interestedalways for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Nice post, you get a WATS for that one!

Shows bravery and flexible, critical thinking.

Originally posted by LoneGunMan
I agree and know there are a lot of bad monkeys mixed with the good ones, but 99% of society are good. Anne are you going to tell me you never have done, or wanted to do something...colorful when people are not around? I dont want to feel like someone is whaching me all the time.

You know Anne if the 99% of society were able to defend themselves, the remaining 1% wouldnt dare attack a society member of good standing. Sure you will see some accidents, but you will see less violent crime than if cameras were the only deterent. If you are that afraid buy a small weapon and learn how to use it.

I disagree with your percentages. I honestly feel that the bad monkeys in our society are much more than 1%.

The sick and twisted people are mostly dumber than dirt and if they want to attack someone... they will... regardless of who's watching. This is already evident with the crooks who rob convenience stores knowing there are cameras watching them.

And to be honest with you... if I want to do something colorful and it's not going to get me in legal trouble... then I'll do it and not worry about who's watching. But remember that the colorful things can be done in areas outside of the cameras... you don't have to be colorful on a city street ya know!

Originally posted by annestacey

I disagree with your percentages. I honestly feel that the bad monkeys in our society are much more than 1%.

The sick and twisted people are mostly dumber than dirt and if they want to attack someone... they will... regardless of who's watching. This is already evident with the crooks who rob convenience stores knowing there are cameras watching them.

And to be honest with you... if I want to do something colorful and it's not going to get me in legal trouble... then I'll do it and not worry about who's watching. But remember that the colorful things can be done in areas outside of the cameras... you don't have to be colorful on a city street ya know!

You re probally right about the percentages, but its not as bad as the media makes it out. You answered your own question about if the cameras are needed or not.

The sick and twisted people are mostly dumber than dirt and if they want to attack someone... they will... regardless of who's watching. This is already evident with the crooks who rob convenience stores knowing there are cameras watching them.

So why have the cameras? I'd just beat the crap out of them, but you can always make yourself equal to a threat if the crap beating thing is not an option for you.

...areas outside the cameras...heheh

Originally posted by interestedalways
AnneStacey, I do understand where you are coming from in your stance. I used to feel as you do until I realized what was going on. If we could be kept safe by cameras and security I would be more open to the extreme position of no freedom and the idea of "if you don't have anything to hide, why worry"

It just isn't that easy. We have been fed a strict diet of fear for a really long time now from the media and we have bought into believing that there is no other recourse besides giving up our freedom to move and be without fierce restriction. There is something much bigger at stake here. It is hard to see through the veil of fear for the safety of our loved ones and ourselves.

We are treating symptoms, not root issues.

I wish I could make a better case for my beliefs, just know that people who are so accepting of this Big Brother mentality have been groomed for years to accept what is being proposed. It isn't what it seems to be, this embarkment of Socialist government and a tolatarian society.

Remember the movie about Anne Frank? That is what comes to my mind for our future in this country.

I agree with you that we have been groomed to accept the Big Brother mentality and I'd rather find a more productive way of dealing with the problem than the camera watching us.

I bolded one of your statements because it goes back to what I said previously about grooming society to create productive citizens instead of useless trash. People should not be having children just because they want to or they don't plan for them. The earth is already overpopulated so if you're not raising productive members of society, then you shouldn't be having kids at all.

There is such a HUGE number of children who are unwanted, neglected, and abused. And the large majority of crooks, rapists and killers admit to being unwanted, neglected or abused as children.

If we should be treating the root cause instead of the symptoms... then we need to control the reproduction before it happens.

Make it illegal to have a child without a license. A license indicates that you can demonstrate good parenting skills, you have a career that can support your children, and you are emotionally stable enough to raise a child.

If you cannot prove the above statements, you can either NOT have children, be fined or jailed for having children or elect to be sterilized.

Originally posted by LoneGunMan
You re probally right about the percentages, but its not as bad as the media makes it out. You answered your own question about if the cameras are needed or not.

The sick and twisted people are mostly dumber than dirt and if they want to attack someone... they will... regardless of who's watching. This is already evident with the crooks who rob convenience stores knowing there are cameras watching them.

So why have the cameras? I'd just beat the crap out of them, but you can always make yourself equal to a threat if the crap beating thing is not an option for you.

...areas outside the cameras...heheh

So then we're back to a society of animals fighting for survival. That's why there has to be some sort of governmental control. Not everyone can fend for themselves. The more out-of-control society is... the more reason the government has for just giving us all a bullet in the head.

Originally posted by annestacey


So then we're back to a society of animals fighting for survival. That's why there has to be some sort of governmental control. Not everyone can fend for themselves. The more out-of-control society is... the more reason the government has for just giving us all a bullet in the head.

Thats exactly how they would want you to believe. They have been running the schools for how long? Big corporations and movie makers have been molding our society into who knows what for how long?

We cannot reliquish control to a nanny state.

We would not be animals fighting for survival.

Really think this through anne I know you are smart, you are rightfully fearful, It would be a fearful feeling if you are unable to defend yourself. Let me ask you this. How many times have you had to defend yourself? If you are unlucky and not paying attention to your surroundings and that outside chance you are in a bad situation, that is when you need to defend yourself.

Bare with me and hear me out. We have been pointed away from defending ourselves and herded into this menality of having to count on the government to protect us. People call 911 for some really crazy reasons and cant seem to do much to help themselves more and more.

Criminals are cowards, they always make sure they stalk the weak. If every responcible, law abiding citizen had a gun and knew how to use it, these creeps (for the most part) will stop preying on people because they would never know when that hot little chick is gonna know how to peg a target with her weapon everytime. This of course until we get our society closer to what it was in the 1940's and 50's. We did have a society that played by the rules for the most part. Until we can figure out why we are de-evolving as a society, what was the common denomenator that brought us to this point to fix it first the problem needs to be acknowledged. Until we get to that point, maybe we need to have the good citizens armed. As long as they pass a rigerous training period, what the heck. I really think you would see violent crime by strangers go to a managable level.

I trust US more than I trust those power hungry fools that run the Gov.

I saw this in another thread, you could get one of these new cell phone guns

[edit on 1-11-2006 by LoneGunMan]

Originally posted by LoneGunMan
I saw this in another thread, you could get one of these new cell phone guns

[edit on 1-11-2006 by LoneGunMan]

Damn!!! I hope I don't get that confused with my real cellphone and give myself a bullet in the head...

But seriously... ok, you got my attention and I feel that you have a valid argument. But I do feel that something needs to be done about the population growth. I saw recently that the morning after pill called Plan B is now available over-the-counter which I think is a very good move.

I was able to get a tubal ligation 10 years ago and it was covered 100% by my health insurance. Of course, a lot of women don't even think about birth control and just keep having kids without a thought as to how to raise them properly.

What are your thoughts on this?



[edit on 2-11-2006 by annestacey]

Originally posted by annestacey


I do feel that something needs to be done about the population growth. I saw recently that the morning after pill called Plan B is now available over-the-counter which I think is a very good move.

Of course, a lot of women don't even think about birth control and just keep having kids without a thought as to how to raise them properly.

What are your thoughts on this?

Something does have to be done about the population. It needs to at least level off, if not at least have the numbers start shrinking. If we all live responcibly it would stress the enviroment as bad as it does not. Its our corporate driven comfortable lifestyle that is creating the problem and we are not far enough along our journey to handle such large numbers of people in balanced way of living.

Could you imagine if all of the nearly 7 billion people lived like we do in America and Canada? The Chinese alone would break the enviromental chain. So I think its not as much as the population, we should be keeping it in check (caucasians are in check last I knew I heard some figures we are in decline) but I think the biggest problem is our lifestyle.

Just a mini chapter from my book of opinions. heheh ...book of opinions... that is such a cute saying, Its not mine, the first time I heard it was used by interestedalways. It kind of stuck in my mind.

[edit on 2-11-2006 by LoneGunMan]

Originally posted by LoneGunMan You know Anne if the 99% of society were able to defend themselves, the remaining 1% wouldnt dare attack a society member of good standing.

Well said.. Now if Americans learnt to defend themselves like men(eg self defence)they wouldn,t have to go playing John Wayne with popguns blasting anyone who is bigger or looks meaner than them.. and two or three innocent bystanders for good measure..

My old Band was setupon by muggers whilst in Cork in Ireland.. Unknown to them we had thirty years boxing and twelve years martial arts history between us

I still peepee myself laughing over that one.. No one was seriously hurt and no lives were taken... and a valuable lesson learnt early for the muggers

[edit on 2-11-2006 by AGENT_T]

This whole idea of everyone carrying guns to defend themselves reminds me of the Mad Max movies. Of course for me, it would be more like "Tank Girl". What if you can be trusted with a gun but your neighbor can't? Whose to say he's not gonna get drunk and start firing at pedestrians?

Originally posted by annestacey
This whole idea of everyone carrying guns to defend themselves reminds me of the Mad Max movies. Of course for me, it would be more like "Tank Girl". What if you can be trusted with a gun but your neighbor can't? Whose to say he's not gonna get drunk and start firing at pedestrians?

That is a good point. It cannot be a permenant solution, and there will be others abusing the problem. They will pay with very heavy penalties. Background checks will exclude a lot of these people, some will slip through the cracks. I would rather deal with an armed neighbor than a power hungary government bent on putting my in an invisable cage.

I really dont see it as a madmax movie, I mean come on, that neighbor has knives right now, he has a killing machine called a car, he could through bleach in someones face. They arent doing it in mass though. The few that do slip through the background checks and maybe some psycological tests they have to pass, before having the privelage of carrying a sidearm, is going to be far less than the gang creeps and criminals that prey on the weak.

I dont like the idea either, but until we have social change to what we were before (I know we can get it back we were there once opon a time, it is better than the Big Brother keeping me in the bird cage. I hate cages. I am a free man.

AGENT_T that was a funny story, I love it when those creeps get bested by real men!


[edit on 2-11-2006 by LoneGunMan]

HEHEHE I love the episode of ''The Simpsons'' where Homer gets the gun.
He uses it to ''put out'' the lights, TV etc

That,s how I imagine Americans with their first gun now. sorry

Originally posted by annestacey
This whole idea of everyone carrying guns to defend themselves reminds me of the Mad Max movies. Of course for me, it would be more like "Tank Girl". What if you can be trusted with a gun but your neighbor can't? Whose to say he's not gonna get drunk and start firing at pedestrians?

You make me sick
NWO pawn!