Survey Result Shows The US To Be Biggest Global Peace Threat

Originally posted by grover
Josbecky you are delusional, I never heard one perosn claim that the riots in Paris were Americas fault, they were caused by a proposed changes in French employment policies.

Perhaps if you haven't noticed this thread itself is claiming that the United States is the biggest global peace threat...which is the biggest bs and lie I have read in some time now...

[edit on 14-6-2006 by Muaddib]

Originally posted by grimreaper797

so thats how bush won it. were you in ohio or florida by any chance

please dont kill me with insults though I was only kidding.

...... Ahhhh, yeah, that was a good one...yeah it was about the same time that you were still using pampers, you were about 14 years old right?... Oh, btw, don't insult me either i was only kidding.

14 using pampers lol, im liberal not mentally handicap lol.
even if your credible source*(fox news) tells you that those are one in the same, they arent.

[edit on 14-6-2006 by grimreaper797]

Originally posted by Muaddib
No matter what you want to try to claim, surveys "are not good indicators of anything"... Surveys can be rigged to say anything those who are making the survey want to claim.... and a survey of 1,000 people in 15 countries surely is not a survey of what the people mayority of those people in those countries think...

I know this is a conspiracy theory site, but that's a bit much. IMO, your American paranoia is showing. I know this is very hard for most Americans to understand, but our foreign policy scares the hell out of everyone. "Americans" are NOT universally hated, but the attitude our government projects is. I think that this attitude, and the hubris that Americans project, gets on people's nerves and makes them hesitant to support us. People from other nations do get very tired of being told how great the U.S. of A. is, and how America bailed them out in the past, so we don't do ourselves any favors in winning favor around the globe. I think these attitudes are reflected in this survey result.

Sorry, but when you have dictatorships in the world which, for example have killed over 2.6 million people since 1983, in Sudan alone, and then people try to claim that "The U.S. is the worse threat to peace in the world"

Your point is moot. A dictator in Sudan is not a threat to "global peace". Sudan does not have the resources to be a threat to global peace. A couyntry with a large military or weapons that could kill millions instantly are considered a threat. The reaction that other nations have to that situation generates the threat.

The United States has had a habit of over-reacting under Bush, and that reaction is what could cause the next great war. Only a great power could cause the polarization required to start a global conflict. The only one trotting around the globe and flexing its military muscle is the United States. Hence, the United States IS the greatest threat to world peace.

there is a political reason for anyone trying to claim this because it is simply not true. Try to find what is the #1 reason for most conflicts in the world and maybe you will understand how brainwashed you and some other people are as to the truth. PC is allowing such bs to be spread, and people getting panicky and believing that "leaving the terrorists alone will make the world a better place" is only going to allow the terrorists to run rampart and do anything and everything they want.

I think you've been to the koolaid stand once too often. Take a step back and take a look at the situations from a global perspective and you'll see who is brainwashed. There is a small number of Americans that has pushed the nation into the position they are in. The 30% satisfaction rating of the administration tells you all you need to know.

There are so many people that are so scared to fight these days that they are willing to let terrorists do anything and everything they want, and they are willing to put forth a scapegoat which hasn't been liked by Europeans for decades now.

That garbage. People will fight, when its the right time to fight. The invasion of Iraq was an immoral act and should never have taken place. The WORLD was behind us after 9/11 and we willing to bend over backwards for us. The vast majority of the world were Americans on September 12th. All the goodwill imaginable was with us. Our President and his (corrupt) administration flushed all of that goodwill down the toilet. If there was a just engagement, the world would be with us. Unfortunately, Iraq is NOT a just engagement and everyone in the world knows it... except Americans.

More power to your elbow The Iconoclast and other Americans who think like you.



As you say most people can separate the actions of your Govt and the will of the American people. You're very badly-served by your Govt and particularly by your media, we know this and don't hate the American people, just your Govt and their foreign policy.

Just a shame some of your compatriots always seek to shoot the messenger rather than listen to and consider the message.


[edit on 14-6-2006 by Strangerous]

The US has thousands of nukes.
The US has a pre-emptive nuclear policy.
The US is pursuing weaponizing space.
The US has a weapons that will cause excrushiating(awful) pain or death but not detroy anything else.
The US has missiles that can burrow underground before they go off.
The US has a hit list of countries that they feel should have regime change.
The US invaded Iraq under false pretences.
The US is surveiling their own people.
The US has hundreds of detention centers throughout the US.
The US has tortured prisoners.
The US is evading the Geneva Accords.
The US is undermining the outcome of the Nurenberg trials.
The US is making propanganda pieces to be shown as news.
The US is endangering the environment by promoting pseudo-science.
The US has sold out the future by running up an insurmountable debt.
The US has pursued a policy of secrecy and deceit.
The US has allowed the disenfranchisement of thousands of its citizens.
The US has aided and abetted drug smugglers.
The US has promoted those most responsible for allowing 9/11.
The US has weapons grade anthrax, smallpox, Marburg, ebola etc.
The US has shown that it is not afraid to be the aggresor in war.

Are you getting the picture? Please feel free to add on.




[edit on 14-6-2006 by polanksi]

Originally posted by Muaddib

Originally posted by grover
Josbecky you are delusional, I never heard one perosn claim that the riots in Paris were Americas fault, they were caused by a proposed changes in French employment policies.

Perhaps if you haven't noticed this thread itself is claiming that the United States is the biggest global peace threat...which is the biggest bs and lie I have read in some time now...

Yes, grover, get with the program. Did you happen to notice what this thread was about? Or are you just firing from the hip, as usual?

The US is the first ones I would expect to start WW3, so yea Id say its pretty accurate.

This would be true if you ignored the threats from the following countries:

- Iran
- North Korea
- Russia
- China
- Venezula

and a host of other tin pot dictatorships and communist countries.

Then I believe what I read.

Its not going to be there actions that start WW3 but our reactions to what we see.

I have not read every post here so I don't want to say everyone is ignorant but a bunch of you are. This is like saying that police are the greatest threat in cities because they bring out more and more criminals each year. Get a grip on reality. Yeah, the war was not planned or executed well, and it squandered the goodwill earned on 9/11. The justification was somewhat dubious too but getting rid of a murderous thug was a good thing, they just did not understand the crazies who think that their 'god' wants them to kill every non-muslim (or muslim not of their particular creed) and thus welcome a new battleground where they can quickly earn their reward of 72 virgins in heaven. More than anything I want to be there and see the surprise on their faces when they learn who the god of murder is...
Let's call a spade a spade; Islam's war has been going on for decades now (Beirut barracks, USS Cole, African embassies, hotels, Chechnya, Philippines etc etc) and Iraq has just lured the idiots from the woodwork. What is it going to take for you all to wake up (well some of you never but I am talking about the sane ones)? And you Canadians, rest easy there behind our back and hope that your appeasement will buy you a little more time. And dismiss all your cops and Mounties because that will naturally make all the criminals abandon their craft.

Originally posted by The Iconoclast

Originally posted by Muaddib
No matter what you want to try to claim, surveys "are not good indicators of anything"... Surveys can be rigged to say anything those who are making the survey want to claim.... and a survey of 1,000 people in 15 countries surely is not a survey of what the people mayority of those people in those countries think...

I know this is a conspiracy theory site, but that's a bit much. IMO, your American paranoia is showing. I know this is very hard for most Americans to understand, but our foreign policy scares the hell out of everyone.

Well, that's their problem for being such a bunch of pacifistic sissies. The USA is not out colonizing other countries. We are, however, dedicated to releasing this world from the grip of fanatical Islamic terrorism. If you don't agree with that, go join them.

I think that this attitude, and the hubris that Americans project, gets on people's nerves and makes them hesitant to support us.

Not to worry. There are plenty of apologists like you that will serve to appease them.

Sorry, but when you have dictatorships in the world which, for example have killed over 2.6 million people since 1983, in Sudan alone, and then people try to claim that "The U.S. is the worse threat to peace in the world"

Your point is moot. A dictator in Sudan is not a threat to "global peace". Sudan does not have the resources to be a threat to global peace. A couyntry with a large military or weapons that could kill millions instantly are considered a threat. The reaction that other nations have to that situation generates the threat.

Muaddib's point is valid.

An infection in one part of this world affects all of us, and should not be ignored. And we may have the most and biggest weapons, but we are civilized enough to exercise restraint in using them. I do not have faith that other regions have the same discipline.

The United States has had a habit of over-reacting under Bush

Like when? That is total bs. If we were to unleash our power on those who deserve it, there would be far less problems in the world. But we are handicapped by apologists who insist that we conduct a PC-correct war.

there is a political reason for anyone trying to claim this because it is simply not true. Try to find what is the #1 reason for most conflicts in the world and maybe you will understand how brainwashed you and some other people are as to the truth. PC is allowing such bs to be spread, and people getting panicky and believing that "leaving the terrorists alone will make the world a better place" is only going to allow the terrorists to run rampart and do anything and everything they want.

I think you've been to the koolaid stand once too often. Take a step back and take a look at the situations from a global perspective and you'll see who is brainwashed. There is a small number of Americans that has pushed the nation into the position they are in. The 30% satisfaction rating of the administration tells you all you need to know.

Polls. Pffft!! They can change tomorrow, and, as has been pointed out, polls can be geared toward any result you want.

There are so many people that are so scared to fight these days that they are willing to let terrorists do anything and everything they want, and they are willing to put forth a scapegoat which hasn't been liked by Europeans for decades now.

You can't win a football game, or a war, by playing only defense. You fail to realize that.

Like what else is new here/ Until the United States finally grows up and realizes they are not responsible for the entire rest of the world.

We will be stuck with this reptation.

And the current leadership of our country is not helping matter's whatsoever.

Until we get rid of that nut in derlin my name for Washington

That guy is insane he is a real nut job.

Oh well!?


Jay!:

This might have meant something to me if I had not seen a show on the Discovery Times channel regarding the general view of Europe’s population toward the US. To make a long story short when you have "moderate" western people saying that Osama is their hero while walking gingerly in Paris you know that something’s wrong. One can only imagine the view of a more 'extreme' populace after hearing that.

Yesterday, I watched a very interesting show on Sky 1. It was called Secrets of the CIA, and it was shown on 10 pm in Britain. Anyway, it showed how the CIA meddled with other countries to protect the U.S's interests. This meddling involved assassinating democratically elected leaders, toppling socialist governments in Central America, killing Che Guevera (and accidently making a martyr/franchise out of him) supporting dictators like Pol Pot, General Pinochet, Saddam Hussain, the Mujadeen, *later the Taliban*, screwing over Angola, because they were in the midst of a Communist takeover, making heroin traffic alot easier for opium farmers in Laos (and inadvertantly addicting their U.S. soldiers in Vietnam) and toppling Iran's prime minister in 1950, because he "might" have been socialist. Somehow, I doubt they even asked. Probebly his worse move was when he nationalised the oil industry...

And this was all to prevent the spread of Communism. But thanks to the overzealous intention to protect the U.S. by any means, they've made themselves ALOT of enemies, partly because they are to blame for most of the troubles that happen today. Angola still havn't recovered from their civil war, whereby 3.7 million people have lost their lives. They still do, because of landmines and unexploded shells (American made). Pinochet killed alot of people as well, same with Pol Pot, same with Hussain, same with the Taliban. The drug trade is still very healthy, and religious fundementalism took over Iran in the 80's and changed the face of the Middle East forever.

And you wonder why everyone hates you. Because the CIA has changed the courses of wars, put their fingers were they don't belong, murdered the native people's champions, don't they understand it was all in the name of freedom?

Originally posted by polanksi
The US has thousands of nukes.
The US has a pre-emptive nuclear policy.
The US is pursuing weaponizing space.
The US has a weapons that will cause excrushiating(awful) pain or death but not detroy anything else.
The US has missiles that can burrow underground before they go off.
The US has a hit list of countries that they feel should have regime change.
The US invaded Iraq under false pretences.
The US is surveiling their own people.
The US has hundreds of detention centers throughout the US.
The US has tortured prisoners.
The US is evading the Geneva Accords.
The US is undermining the outcome of the Nurenberg trials.
The US is making propanganda pieces to be shown as news.
The US is endangering the environment by promoting pseudo-science.
The US has sold out the future by running up an insurmountable debt.
The US has pursued a policy of secrecy and deceit.
The US has allowed the disenfranchisement of thousands of its citizens.
The US has aided and abetted drug smugglers.
The US has promoted those most responsible for allowing 9/11.
The US has weapons grade anthrax, smallpox, Marburg, ebola etc.
The US has shown that it is not afraid to be the aggresor in war.

Are you getting the picture? Please feel free to add on.

[edit on 14-6-2006 by polanksi]

Polanski ... Brilliant! Concise, to the point, not an argument in the house! Every claim absolutely documented (on this site, even!)
Ah! ignorance is bliss!
As I stated previously, the American administration succeeds by creating enemies and fostering fear amongst its populace and neighbours.
It's like sitting next to a big, annoying drunk in the bar whose actions and temperament are completely unpredictable, never knowing if he was going to strike out at the next person for a reason only apparent to the drunk.
The actions of the American government in the past 10 years can be been identified as a sociopathic disorder:

"Antisocial Personality Disorder is also known as psychopathy or
sociopathy. Individuals with this disorder have little regard for the
feeling and welfare of others. ..."

"Antisocial Personality Disorder is chronic, beginning in adolescence
and continuing throughout adulthood. There are ten general
symptoms:

not learning from experience
no sense of responsibility
inability to form meaningful relationships
inability to control impulses
lack of moral sense
chronically antisocial behavior
no change in behavior after punishment
emotional immaturity
lack of guilt
self-centeredness

People with this disorder may exhibit criminal behavior. "

from: sociopath definition www.9types.com...

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Originally posted by eleventhdr
Like what else is new here/ Until the United States finally grows up and realizes they are not responsible for the entire rest of the world.

Yeah, bleep the rest of the world, let them sort out their own poo without any help. Lets cut off aid to countries who need it. Next time a big earthquake or tsunami hits, screw em, theyre on their own. No need to give American tax dollars to help others.

Sarcasm off.......

The US does so many good things for the rest of the world as well. Both economically and Militarily. Maybe if we wouldnt take so much poo from the rest of the world in situations such as Somalia, where the world said there needs to be something done, but who send the 20,000 Marines to see that food was given to those people, and then took a buch of crap for going unilatterally to remove Aidid from power when it was the UN who said something needed to be done? Where were all the other UN countries(besides Pakistan and Malaysians) in the battle of Mogudishu? Who led the way into Bosnia to try to stop that mess? who came eith aid to Pakistan, and Southeast Asia in full force to help with relief efforts after those disasters? What is the most charitable nation on earth? No one foucses on anything good that the US tries to do in the world, only to have it thrown in our faces.

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Originally posted by jsobecky
Well, that's their problem for being such a bunch of pacifistic sissies. The USA is not out colonizing other countries. We are, however, dedicated to releasing this world from the grip of fanatical Islamic terrorism. If you don't agree with that, go join them.

No thank you, I am quite happy where I am. But since you want to play that game and are so gung ho about "releasing this world from the grip of fanatical Islamic terrorism" I suggest you pick up a weapon and take up a position in Iraq. If its such a righteous action, and you're such a big patriot, willing to die for the beliefs of the sitting President, feel free to put a weapon where your mouth is.

Not to worry. There are plenty of apologists like you that will serve to appease them.

Appeasing them? Interesting spin. How about understanding their position and realizing that we are in the wrong? Believe it or not, everything we do in America is not always the right thing.

Muaddib's point is valid.

An infection in one part of this world affects all of us, and should not be ignored. And we may have the most and biggest weapons, but we are civilized enough to exercise restraint in using them. I do not have faith that other regions have the same discipline.

You're catching on. The world views America's foreign policy is considered an infection that must be controlled and then cured.

I also laughed when you say that we are civilized enough to exercise restraint when using our weapons. You might want to consider the views of the majority of the world and WHY they think America is the greatest threat to world peace. It is the belief that America does NOT have the restraint to keep our weapons in check.

Like when? That is total bs. If we were to unleash our power on those who deserve it, there would be far less problems in the world. But we are handicapped by apologists who insist that we conduct a PC-correct war.

Like Iraq. There was no logical reason to go into Iraq. NONE. The world views this as a gross over-reaction. That's the reality outside of the American media vaccuum.

Polls. Pffft!! They can change tomorrow, and, as has been pointed out, polls can be geared toward any result you want.

That's funny, the CIA said the exact same thing about the intelligence the Bush Administration used to lie their way into Iraq.

You can't win a football game, or a war, by playing only defense. You fail to realize that.

I disagree, and every sport will back me up when I say, defense wins championships. I think you should try and stay away from the sports metaphors.

What YOU fail to release is that Iraq is the mess it is because there is not enough defense in the country. The Bush administration used an offensive strategy to get into Iraq, and din't think about what it would take to win the peace. What it takes is a strong defense and a well thoughtout plan to maintain the peace. Without that, you have a no-win situation. The whole offensive mentality set up the endevor for failure. Chew on that one for a while.

YEAH!!!

All the more point to get rid of the United Nations and establish a true one world government that will keep the US in its place!!!

We can have Iran as the leader of the new world order! And enforce peace throughout the world - (note I said enforce, not create the peace)


Do you people really know what you want or how to get there?

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Originally posted by ludaChris
The US does so many good things for the rest of the world as well. Both economically and Militarily. Maybe if we wouldnt take so much poo from the rest of the world in situations such as Somalia, where the world said there needs to be something done, but who send the 20,000 Marines to see that food was given to those people, and then took a buch of crap for going unilatterally to remove Aidid from power when it was the UN who said something needed to be done? Where were all the other UN countries(besides Pakistan and Malaysians) in the battle of Mogudishu? Who led the way into Bosnia to try to stop that mess? who came eith aid to Pakistan, and Southeast Asia in full force to help with relief efforts after those disasters? What is the most charitable nation on earth? No one foucses on anything good that the US tries to do in the world, only to have it thrown in our faces.

Nice post and agree completely


If they do not want our help, screw them. Let's invest that money in our own nation - though even then it's not appreciated. But better waste it domestically then on foreign nations that show no appreciation.

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