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Originally posted by Zaphod58
You're right. It's the Seal. It was put up on Ebay, but the limo always has the Seal on one side and the American Flag on the other.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
They had both flags from the limo. Just proof that you literally CAN find anything on Ebay. It's kinda disgusting actually.
Originally posted by shots
Originally posted by Zaphod58
They had both flags from the limo. Just proof that you literally CAN find anything on Ebay. It's kinda disgusting actually.
Those could not have been the real thing not surprising at all when you consider it was on EBay.
The actual flags from the limo recently sold for 450,000 at auction and reportedly came from a Kennedy admirer who befriended the president's secretary and inherited much of the memorabilia from her when she died.
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Originally posted by Janus
Im not an American, but shouldnt stuff of historical importance like the car flags (hell even the car! ) be in a museum or your National archives?
I know he wasnt the most Popular President with everyone in the States, contrary to popular belief, but he was still the head of state.
It's interesting to note, these pictures on John Costella's site are of higher quality than the usual Zapruder stills floating around. They still show inconsistencies as shown in the above blow up picture
Originally posted by MayetIt's interesting to note, these pictures on John Costella's site are of higher quality than the usual Zapruder stills floating around. They still show inconsistencies as shown in the above blow up picture.
The main dispute I have with this picture is the "black man" at rears rear neck. Its green, as green as the grass, as a matter of fact he has no back neck, the grass pixels continue well into his neckline.
Originally posted by Mayet
Most of the JFK assassination researchers on the web today use jpg's to illustrate their points.
the man at the rear of the photo has grass growing where his "black" neck should be.
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
The main dispute I have with this picture is the "black man" at rears rear neck. Its green, as green as the grass, as a matter of fact he has no back neck, the grass pixels continue well into his neckline.
Serious photo analysis of that detail is never attempted on heavily compressed images (JPEG).
The scientists also proved that Zapruder’s film was not just changed a little bit. The whole film is a fake!
A movie film is just a strip of little photos (“frames”). The fake film was made by cutting and pasting real photos and film frames together to make new frames.
Because the Zapruder film is only 27 seconds long, less than 500 photos needed to be made. The forgers had almost a year to create them, before they were published. This was not difficult to do in 1963 and 1964. People had been creating high quality fake photos since the 1850s!
The numerous indications of alteration in the Zapruder film naturally raise some disturbing questions. The answer to the question of why the film was altered is fairly apparent--to conceal obvious evidence of a frontal shot, of multiple gunmen, and of more than three hits. But, who performed the alteration? Whoever they were, they were very well connected (so as to gain access to the film) and had at their disposal considerable technical expertise. It would seem self-evident that those who altered the Zapruder film were either working with or following orders from the men who were responsible for the assassination of President Kennedy.
A declassified CIA document indicates the Zapruder film was detoured to a sophisticated CIA photographic lab relatively soon after the assassination, and quite possibly on the night of the shooting. Professor Phillip Melanson has discussed this declassified document and what it reveals about the handling of the film in his famous article "Hidden Exposure: Cover-Up and Intrigue in the CIA's Secret Possession of the Zapruder Film" in The Third Decade, November 1984. A summary of the main points of Melanson's findings is included in Assassination Science.
Though many researchers have long suspected the Zapruder film was altered at the CIA, there is some indication that at least part of the alteration might have been done at the FBI.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Arthur Schopenhauer
German philosopher (1788 - 1860)
Originally posted by Mayet
Also many other scientists and researchers have come to the conclusion that the film was faked.
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
However, I am very experienced in digital image formats and analyzing photo manipulation. The JPEG formate is inappropriate for the kind of detailed analysis (is there a little green from the background in his neck?) you're attempting.
www.assassinationscience.com...
The scientists also proved that Zapruder’s film was not just changed a little bit. The whole film is a fake!
A movie film is just a strip of little photos (“frames”). The fake film was made by cutting and pasting real photos and film frames together to make new frames.
Because the Zapruder film is only 27 seconds long, less than 500 photos needed to be made. The forgers had almost a year to create them, before they were published. This was not difficult to do in 1963 and 1964. People had been creating high quality fake photos since the 1850s!
So... any research (JFK or not) attempting detailed pixel-level analysis of images from JPEG is going to have problems. From what I saw of Val's analysis, she wasn't digging into pixel-level details like you were.