We Are All Pathetic

Originally posted by seagull
I would agree with Washingtons premise that political parties are not a good thing. However, I don't see how they can be avoided, since likeminded people tend to congregate to their core issue, or issues. The only solution to this is to attempt as best we can, to keep the parties honest. That is the responsibility of the grassroots voter, and volunteers. No one else.

Who says we need political parties to congregate to?
Before there were parties, people congregated to the best person who had the best ideas, he wasn't labelled, sure there were federalists, ect, but these were independent men who were called statemen. They believed in a better america and laid their beliefs flat out on the table, sure they had to be good politicians, but the point is, there were no parties.

Half of this country doesn't vote, I used to think of them as the lazy do nothings of society, but I can understand why some of them don't vote. And i'm leaning towards the same way. I will not encourage this kind of system we have in place currently.

It's almost as if we all know this country will succumb because of these parties, yet we always every 4 years vote them back in because we want to be good american's and excerice our rights.

but we have the right to vote for alternatives or not vote at all... and the only ones who can control the masses are the 'news' networks.
logical people who want change dont get their voices heard, they are silenced and the ball keeps rolling down hill...

This is why I believe the illuminati are within our borders and are on both sides of the fence, dem and rep. They are destroying this country from w/ in, it's not happening by force, it's silent, and it's a slow movement, look at all the degeneration going on within our borders.

Erosion of civil liberties, Increased military, destructibility of our children's moral and ethical foundation, a dumbed down society who doesn't ask questions or demand accountability, it's harder to get a credit card these days, Bush and his cabinet members are going around the world asking leaders to sign agreements for a 'UNI-POLAR/LATERAL WORLD' ask the PM of India and Putin in Russia, they both said no.. This means that those in power in America want to run the world, they want a one world government with them running the show. This doesn't mean these people are American's, they could be decendants of those europeans who established the Illuminati back in Bavaria Germany, or they could be American's w/ relatives who are part of that secretive society and raised this way, Bush Sr advocated for a nwo, and thought the persian gulf war was a good way help get the ball rolling more.,you can't file ch 7 bankruptcy, these tactics are eroding the middle class who is the life blood of America, the middle class jobs are going overseas more and more, which is causing the middle class to become poorer. There is going to be a huge gap between rich and poor, and these tactics are helping widen that gap. Biometrics are becoming more prevelant, they are talking about chipping plates, and even criminals, wiretapping private citizen phonelines are ok because it helps nsa with finding bad guys who want to destroy america apparantly, yet the ones at the top are destroying america moreso then the bad guys ever could.

Sure they can blow stuff up and kill people, but they can't take away our freedoms at the rate the government is doing it.

One thing I like about American's is that when it comes to push and shove, American's will always fight back, if terrorists were to bombard your streets tomorrow, you would pull your guns out and target practice.

But it's like there has to be a physical threat in order for american's to actually do something.

This is a silent wave of destructibility within these borders, I can sense it, and percieve it to be true because the little things add up more and more everyday.

on wht at 11pm or 1130 est, there is a show called newswatch magazine and they talk about all this stuff, from bush being the doomsday president to the masons and illuminati, and he backs it up w/ facts.. u dont have to believe me but i encourage you all to watch it some night...

It blows my mind to see this stuff on tv. i believe uc an go to newswatchmagazine.org to see what im talking about aswell... wild stuff.
I just went to that site and you can listen to one of his shows by going here:

newswatchmagazine.org...

[edit on 6-1-2006 by TrueLies]

I'll give it looksee this evening. Can't say you'll convert me, but who knows? I'll keep an open mind, is all I'll guarentee.

I'll agree with you on the point though about American not responding to dangerous conditions until it slaps us in the face, though. It's time and past to realize that the major parties have only their own interests at heart, and not the nations as a whole, or the people within its borders.

Ok if we know that the two party winners takes all system does not work. Then why are their so many people that defend it? For years black intellectuals told the people that inside activism does not to little change to help the normal or grassroots’ level communities. But others suggest still work with what you have and try to change a rigged game that has been rigged since early 1900’s

Some in the Democratic Party (whom happen to be minority) tried to move the primary from New Hampshire and people had a hissy fit. They want to move it because they said their reason was that by the time it came to the major cities the presidential candidate were basically picked out already. Those minorities do not get much of an interaction into the actually picking of presidential runners.

With also real democratic countries in their elections have more turnout more volunteering of political activites and many many more parties. When bring up the actions of other democratic countries I hear noise that this is the best place on the planet. It should be very obvious not even for non-political people that it is virtually impossible for the son of a president to become president in a truly democratic country.


So I see groups like the libs and greens start up. Then I see the anarchists. I try to discuss at a local level about empowering the inner city neighborhoods and bring the groups together but it seems not to work because to me most break off from the main to stroke their egos.

I see all these different people on this site and I still see the sides that control the main media working very hard in the threads. I am happy someone can tell the truth that sometimes things do have to be left behind to continue to evolve like monarchy, nobleman, and religious governments.

I really want the people to choose not corporations and stinking rich people who some have never went to a job interview in their entire life!!


[edit on 12/09-2005 by BlackThought]

Blackthought. You have valid points, most of which I agree with. We differ I think in that I believe the system is still salvagable, you don't seem to, please if I am wrong correct me.
The solution to the rigged game is the grassroots finally waking to the fact, and eventually they will. I have to believe this, because the alternative bears little resemblence to any America that I would choose to live in. I'm a patriot (freely admitted), but not blind to the faults of our political system. Our representitive democracy is the first in the world, and it is still evolving, growing, and changing. Not all the changes are good. Not all the changes are bad. It comes down to how hard are you and I willing to fight to foment change by whatever legal means are available to us. Keep fighting the good fight, so will I, and we'll see what happens. Good luck to us all.

Originally posted by seagull
Blackthought. You have valid points, most of which I agree with. We differ I think in that I believe the system is still salvagable, you don't seem to, please if I am wrong correct me.
The solution to the rigged game is the grassroots finally waking to the fact, and eventually they will. I have to believe this, because the alternative bears little resemblence to any America that I would choose to live in. I'm a patriot (freely admitted), but not blind to the faults of our political system. Our representitive democracy is the first in the world, and it is still evolving, growing, and changing. Not all the changes are good. Not all the changes are bad. It comes down to how hard are you and I willing to fight to foment change by whatever legal means are available to us. Keep fighting the good fight, so will I, and we'll see what happens. Good luck to us all.

The thing is, these groups I refer to them as the illuminati, your idea of them probably differs from mine in that your idea of them is wacky and couldn't possibly be true, i just believe it's a group of people sitting in their big chairs claiming to be for america and the betterment of this country, when in actuality they want to destroy the core principles, take away the middle class so there is just rich and poor, enforce socialist policies, and eliminate morale in our younger generations to dumb them down.

I believe these people sit on both sides of the fence, Clinton's, Bush's, Kerry, Cheney, and alot of others are members of this group.

And by the time people wake up to the idea that these people aren't in politics for reasons we believe to be just, it will be too late.

I'm sure they know when people will start getting it, and they will be bs'ed again, it's too easy to lie to the masses, they do it all the time and get away w/ it. There is no accountability and it's getting worse and worse and this federal government becomes increasingly more powerful and the people lose more and more of their civil rights by slow but continuous erosion by both sides.

Never in this country has the federal government been so big and powerful, never in america has the military been so big, and never in america has our rights been in such danger.

The process is ongoing to these people, and once every couple of months they scratch another goal off their list as complete. private property rights- check, free speech (zones) - check, de-moraling the youth - check, propagandizing in the media - check, ect, ect...

It seems like we are talking about the "group think" mentality. I have been wondering alot about it lately. But, it seems unavoidable that likeminded folk formed parties. You stick enough people in a room together you going to see cliques begin to form with leaders and head nodding followers.

Though I don't believe the situation is as desparate as some of you, I can see some similarities between the current incarnations of the dems and republicans. Only a blind person would say that there isn't any problems in the system, but I feel that problem has to do with the balance of power. Since the scales have tipped so far to the right and there is only one real voice coming out of the government, it seems that both parties are speaking with that voice, but the truth is the voters were the ones that effectly tip the scales, and the democrats, reacting to the choices of the voters, have moved toward a more conservative image trying to appeal to those who do vote. If you are anti-government or anti-estiblishment you won't be knocking people over to get to the polls...same goes for poor and disenfranchised folk. Many media personalities asked John Edwards about this when he was running his presidential campaign. Some even asked him why address the issue of poverty when poor people don't vote.

Tis voters that have caused this blending of party lines, as for corruption, show me a state that doesn't have to face that. It is so engrained in system that total upheaval is the only way to completely uproot it. The people have to decide what they want, and it seems (if we go by the lastest election) this is what they want, and both parties are reacting to that. Republicans have grabbed all the power and democrats are scatching trying to find a formula to get some of it back. I can't say if all of this makes us pathetic, but if something doesn't change I do think we are in trouble. For there to be some sort of diversity in government the people have to participate.

I am going to be very carefull as to how I address the issue of the "power behind the throne" we have all talked about here. Because I don't want to be insulting to others out there in cyberland. There are and always will be, others behind the scenes pulling the strings of their puppets. Call them the Illuminati, New world order, the Joooooos, whatever; my opinion is and always will remain until such time as I'm clubbed over the head with evidence to the contrary, that the multitudes of the little people will finally get it into their little heads that there is a problem, and will act to solve that problem (this is so contrary to my pessimistic outlook on most things, you've no idea).
Again, no offence was intended, the little people have the power within them to foment change. They've just not awoken to the fact that they are stronger than the powerbrokers want them to believe. I've said it here and in other pages, Vote, Volunteer, and speak your mind at any and all oportunites. Eventually, if enough do so, change is inevitable.

Balance of power is a term used by many in these types of rooms.I think often to propose a concept that this is a normal state of affairs among men. I is not. It is part of a scam which has been perpetuated on people..particulary Americans in thier ignorance. It is promoted in public schools as the way things should be.

The manner of balance of power..the way I have learned of its use or misuse..would be more appropriate.. has to do with the way power was used in the days of the British Empire..or the exploits of the Crown.

The history of this balancing act..is to keep tensions going on for years and years between two opposing factions while their road or path is carefully plotted and carried out to a conclusion. The balancing party would steer the aid and sustinance to whom ever they desire to get ahead at the time. In this case England or the Crown monopoly which England sustained would be arming or sustaining both sides ..one side sometimes secretly...against the other. This is a hint of what one gets in the history books about the Ottoman Question prior to the 1st World War. At one time the Turks are a ally of England armed and supported ..then when necessary they become a enemy. Does this sound familiar to some of you??? This pattern of operaton.
Balance of power was used heavily in the Cold War Era. Those famaliar with the balance of power doctrine claim it was necessary in the maintainence of the Cold War Balance for the western powers to provide armaments and armament know how to the Soviets to maintain this balance. The claim in certain circles is that nuclear technology and rocket payload delivery technology was provided by certain people in the west..to the Russians..the Soviets to maintain this balance of power. One of the technologys only available at first in the West..is the multiple independent reentry vehicle know how. This technology or know how ..was declared non strategic by the US State Department and transfered to the Soviets whereby they immediately upgraded their ICBM capabilitys.
This is what balance of power does for those of you not familiar with its workings.

IN the intrest of balance of power...by people like the United Nations..there have been about 150 million people killed in the name of balance since WW2.

Balance of power is not what what the public correctly percieves it to be. In this manner ....yes ..we are all pathetic. And this search for balance continues. You will definitely see this pattern repeated again.

Thanks,
Orangetom

suggested reading on the concept of the "balance of Power" and other world class political programs under way..

The Empire of the City
by E. C. Knuth.

A small but informative book on this and other political tools/ideologies.

George Washington warned us to beware of and to avoid foreign entanglements, specifically.