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Originally posted by UM_Gazz
The Middle East is fuel waiting for a spark, and we are a good ignition source.
A perceived “Christian” force of occupation in a Muslim world is a recipe for destruction and war. Perhaps as designed by those who brought us September 11, 2001.
Originally posted by UM_Gazz
Why wait?
Some will argue the war is not over, we have a lot to do there. I ask those who will say this. Why?
What have we to gain by continued occupation?
Do we need more reports of death or attacks?
Iraq... a better place today?
Is it worth one more unwanted US sacrifice?
What if the next was your own, or someone you know?
Despite the media claims, the United States military presence is not wanted in Iraq, nor is it needed. Iraq can rise or fall on its own. With or without us.
The Middle East is fuel waiting for a spark, and we are a good ignition source. The longer we are there, the more we feed the enemies against us, against western culture. They use our presence as propaganda, and as justification for their horrendous attacks against all.
I ask, is it worth it?
How many young men’s deaths will it take?
... what is the break point? .. What is the end game?
We have taken a collective shat on the Middle East, and are daring them to retaliate.
They will, they are, and we are targets.
A perceived “Christian” force of occupation in a Muslim world is a recipe for destruction and war.
One more letter, one more day in Iraq. The next may tell me that my nephew has been hurt or worse... and for what?
There is not one grain of sand in the Middle East worth even one more American life.
We can change the world, but we will not do it by force, unless change means starting over after the annihilation of hundreds of millions.
Bring our troops home, devise a realistic plan for the future, or reap what you sew.
Forgive me and my pathetic rant here, I was only following orders.
Originally posted by Seekerof
Since when has ATS sanctioned political activism or become a activism mechanism?
Will ATS allow various groups of activists to use this board for political activism, because if so, I am quite sure that space can be sold to a number of activist groups and organizations who would jump at the chance to see ATS become nothing but a politcal activism tool.
Originally posted by UM_Gazz
There is no activisim here Seekerof.
Just some questions and my own thoughts and opinions.
Perhaps if you read what I have you may know why... But with you like so many the human factor escapes you, and voids all other forms of original thinking.
If the war was personal, maybe you'd see what I mean.
I am staff, I am a moderator... That does not exclude me from having an opinion.
After some communications with my nephew, I am convinced it is time. Time for them to come home. Job done?
Originally posted by dbates
Originally posted by UM_Gazz
The Middle East is fuel waiting for a spark, and we are a good ignition source.
A perceived “Christian” force of occupation in a Muslim world is a recipe for destruction and war. Perhaps as designed by those who brought us September 11, 2001.
Wow! You know I think you hit it dead on here.
Originally posted by Seekerof
but you certainly do not see me, nor anyone else on this board that has family and friends over in Iraq or Afghanistan, using this board as an activism mechanism...
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
. I think we owe Iraq SOMETHING in the way of reparations
The first thing you do is get the bull out THEN clean up the mess.
Our presence there doesn't have a hope of creating a stable, civil society. How can health triumph, when the cause of the 'disease' insists on remaining?
Originally posted by Nygdan
If the troops are moved to another location in the region, then that woudl be so they can move back in for specific 'missions' or offensives. IOW, no change.
If the US leaves, the insurgents will grow stronger and bolder.
Originally posted by Bikereddie
Why THE US all the time?
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Eddie, I speak only for myself
Originally posted by Nygdan
If you do not want rape squads, genocide, and actual war in that region, then the US has to stay.
Originally posted by UM_Gazz
Iraq will have to find her own way, sooner or later. Why wait?
What have we to gain by continued occupation?
Do we need more reports of death or attacks?
Iraq... a better place today?
What if the next was your own, or someone you know?
the United States military presence is not wanted
in Iraq, nor is it needed.
They use our presence as propaganda, and as
justification for their horrendous attacks against all.
I ask, is it worth it?
Bring our troops home, devise a realistic plan for the future,
or reap what you sew.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I totally disagree. Pro-war activism is rampant on this board. That goes both ways. Just because it's contrary to your opinion, doesn't necessarily categorize it as 'activism'. Activism has 2 sides. One for, one against. And the pro-war activists use this board to push their agenda every day, not just once a month.
Originally posted by Seekerof
...but you certainly do not see me, nor anyone else on this board that has family and friends over in Iraq or Afghanistan, using this board as an activism mechanism...
This forum is NOT a political debate forum. It is NOT a place for anyone to attempt to get their party's agenda pushed forward.
As of right now the Moderators are under orders to STRICTLY ENFORCE the new "Code of Ethical Posting" outlined in the above captioned thread.
This forum IS for the DISCUSSION of the war on terror, the North Korean/Iran situation, the war in Iraq from a Conspiratorial perspective.
Naturally politics plays a huge roll in warfare and it's expected to come up in these conversations, that's FINE what will NOT be tolerated are one liner snipes (as illustrated in the above captioned post), threads with no other purpose than to bait another member(s) into a flame war, or the VERY TIRED party arguments and Liberal versus Conservative GARBAGE.
If you read your post and it isn't ON TOPIC don't post it. If you start a new thread and it doesn't do anything but spew YOUR political agenda/stance or criticize the political agenda/stance to which you are opposed DON'T post it.
If you do not want rape squads, genocide, and actual war in that region, then the US has to stay.
I have to disagree. If anything, Iraq owes the United States repartations, for the Gulf War and the possibly the current Iraq War.