CIA can be Arrested, page 1

posted on Dec, 23 2005 @ 10:12 AM

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CIA is not above the law.

I think Prime Minister Berlisconi is very angry. He wants to see CIA hang. He is not buying anything Miss Rice and Collin Powell told him last week.

Italy has issued arrests warrants for the CIA agents.

This means that now CIA cannot visit Europe.

news.bbc.co.uk...

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devilwasp

posted on Dec, 23 2005 @ 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by mr conspiracy
This means that now CIA cannot visit Europe.
[edit on 23-12-2005 by mr conspiracy]

Ummm how is italian law legal in ANY other country but italy?
If italy wants to arrest CIA agents in the UK it's gona be waiting a long time...

Harlequin

posted on Dec, 23 2005 @ 10:27 AM

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Originally posted by devilwasp

Ummm how is italian law legal in ANY other country but italy?
If italy wants to arrest CIA agents in the UK it's gona be waiting a long time...

Its called Interpol and a European wide arrest warrent.

devilwasp

posted on Dec, 23 2005 @ 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by Harlequin
Its called Interpol and a European wide arrest warrent.

As I remember intepol doesnt apply to everyone, and european wide arrest warrants I believe have to be negotiated.

WestPoint23

posted on Dec, 23 2005 @ 10:56 AM

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Those arrest warrants have been out for a while, the whole point of the CIA is to be secret. How is INTERPOL going to know that they are CIA?

nwscc

posted on Dec, 23 2005 @ 10:56 AM

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devilwasp

posted on Dec, 23 2005 @ 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by nwscc
Italy and the US are both members. This could get touchy.

here are all the members of Interpol

As I remember you need the home countries aproval to deport someone from that country, hence why some countries dont release prisnors.

nwscc

posted on Dec, 23 2005 @ 11:07 AM

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It appears that members of Interpol have an obligation to Interpol by being members. It would send a message that we (U.S.) are above the law.

But I do wonder if thier definition of probable cause is the same as ours.

Interpol’s activities in relation to international fugitives have been part of its core business since the organization’s creation. Interpol circulates internationally, at the request of member countries, electronic diffusions and notices containing identification details and judicial information about wanted criminals.

The Interpol Red Notice has been recognised in a number of countries as having the legal value to serve as a basis for provisional arrest. The persons concerned are wanted by national jurisdictions or International Criminal Tribunals, where appropriate, and the Red Notice is intended to help police identify or locate these individuals with a view to their arrest and extradition.

Interpol created the Fugitive Investigative Service to offer more proactive and systematic assistance to member countries by:

providing investigative support to member countries in ongoing international fugitive investigations with a view to locating and arresting wanted persons;
co-ordinating and enhancing international co-operation in the field of fugitive investigations;
collecting and disseminating best practice and expert knowledge;
conducting and co-ordinating relevant research and serve as a global point of reference for fugitive-related information.

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nwscc

posted on Dec, 23 2005 @ 11:11 AM

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THis is more than likely what they would base it on, and sad to say...it fits.

People smuggling implies the procurement, for financial or material gain, of the illegal entry into a state of which that person is neither a citizen nor a permanent resident. Criminal networks which smuggle and traffic in human beings for financial gain increasingly control the flow of migrants across borders.

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WestPoint23

posted on Dec, 23 2005 @ 12:22 PM

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Because of the politically neutral role Interpol must play, its Constitution forbids any involvement in crimes that do not overlap several member countries, or any political, military, religious, or racial crimes. Its work centers primarily on public safety and terrorism, organized crime, illicit drug production and drug trafficking, weapons smuggling, trafficking in human beings, money laundering, child pornography, financial and high-tech crime, and corruption.

So does this mean that Interpol cannot get involved because this is a political and perhaps military matter?

Interpol

mr conspiracy

posted on Dec, 23 2005 @ 06:16 PM

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nobody messes with the Italians and gets away with it. these guys are badasses. this time CIA messed with the the wrong dudes.

had they not seen Godfather II.

Don Corleone now wants to see some heads roll.

www.cnn.com...

ADVISOR

posted on Dec, 23 2005 @ 06:28 PM

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There is very likely different "Mafias" in Italia, who are involved with CIA, good and bad.

Don't forget that together an Italian mafia plus CIA were involved in Kennedy being assassinated. This was so "organised crime" could continue, and John plus Robert payed the worse price.

This doesn't mean they can not "visit" Europe, it just means their covers will have to get even more low key.

It never happened if you don't get caught.

Dronetek

posted on Dec, 25 2005 @ 09:51 AM

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With the propaganda spewing from Italy, I would take anything coming from there with a grain of salt. Look at the "US USING CHEMICAL WEAPONS!" as they show video of normal casualties of war and looped footage of a plane dropping napalm in Vietnam.

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jsobecky

posted on Dec, 25 2005 @ 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by mr conspiracy
I think Prime Minister Berlisconi is very angry. He wants to see CIA hang. He is not buying anything Miss Rice and Collin Powell told him last week.

I'm just curious. What do you base this statement on? Did you have a private audience with Berlisconi, because this isn't what your sources say:

Italy's Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi is a close US ally and has said he can see no basis for the case.
news.bbc.co.uk...

And then there is this, from the Justice Minister:

Italian Justice Minister Roberto Castelli has signed the warrants, a move officials described as a formality.

There was no word on whether Mr Castelli would seek extradition, but he has previously accused the judge involved of being a leftist militant and anti-American.

The judge is probably a subscriber to Il Manifesto.

makeitso

posted on Dec, 25 2005 @ 01:29 PM

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It appears to be political grandstanding.
If they seriously wanted them, they would be listed on Interpol's wanted list. Right? I can't find them there.

They are also not listed on the Interpol-UN Security Council Special Notices

If they did identify 22 CIA agents on Interpol's most wanted, what would the repercussions be? You can't list names and pictures of Inteligence agents without starting a storm. Right?

Other than Interpol, is there any other way for the rest of Europe/world to have the knowledge of who the agents are, and the authority to arrest?

Out of curiosity, can anyone here post a link to a site where Italy has the agents warrants posted? Interpol? Italy's most wanted? The local Italian court that filled the warrant? Anywhere?

That's why I say it is just political grandstanding.

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Majic

posted on Dec, 26 2005 @ 04:58 AM

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Kiss And Tell

I found the following statements rather interesting:

From Italy warrants for 22 purported CIA operatives:

Former CIA analyst Michael Scheuer said the Italian military secret service had approved the operation, and CIA sources who refused to be named told CNN that the agency had briefed and sought approval from its Italian counterpart for such an abduction.

But the Italian government vigorously denied having authorized Hassan's kidnapping, which it called illegal.

If these claims are true, then the CIA is not the organization that needs to worry.

I'm with makeitso on this. Where are the names? Where are the warrants? It's hard to arrest someone when you don't know who they are, don't you think?

Frankly, this whole teapot tempest looks pretty ridiculous to me.

If the Italian government wants to cut itself off from the cooperation of U.S. intelligence agencies, they are free to do so. I'm not so sure they would be happy about the consequences, however.

I would say it will be interesting to see where this ends up going, but I really don't find it all that interesting.

talon565

posted on Dec, 26 2005 @ 06:00 AM

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I'm with the Italians, All we hear today is the USA government doing as they please.

"Lets give them(terrorists) guns today to fight thier enemys and then wipe out thier country tomorrow, when we have a policy change or want to get cheaper oil"

Lets face it, we are all just along for the ride, if the US decided that Australia was a breeding ground for terrorist, we would have a hummer firng 60 cals at the Opera house tommorrow. and tank rolling across the harbour bridge by afternoon.

They set the rules we just sit back and wait for the door to be kicked in!

makeitso

posted on Dec, 26 2005 @ 12:37 PM

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I hate to answer my own question, but it looks like there is an organization besides Interpol that a European warrant can be registered.

I tracked down an Italian news report about this.

HANDLE) - Rome, December 23 - Milan judges on Friday issued European arrest warrants for 22 CIA agents accused of abducting an Egyptian cleric in the City in 2003.

So I looked up European arrest warrants, and it turns out that

A European Arrest Warrant, valid throughout the European Union has replaced extradition procedures between Member States of the enlarged Europe. Such a warrant may be issued by a national issuing judicial authority. ~snip~

The European Arrest Warrant means faster and simpler surrender procedures and no more political involvement.

I still havn't found the warrants yet.

Conspirator_101

posted on Dec, 26 2005 @ 04:31 PM

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Originally posted by devilwasp

Originally posted by mr conspiracy
This means that now CIA cannot visit Europe.
[edit on 23-12-2005 by mr conspiracy]

Ummm how is italian law legal in ANY other country but italy?
If italy wants to arrest CIA agents in the UK it's gona be waiting a long time...

In theory, if a European country issues an arrest warrent, then the country in Europe which has them is obliged to send them. Like i said, in theory, it wont happen, the UK is too far up Americas arse, and wouldnt send secret agents to Italy for trial.

And the CIA, are above the law, they do not answer to anyone, and that is a fact. The president does not control them, and even if he did have the powers to do so, how would he? the CIA are so big and widespread, if anything, they control the president.

devilwasp

posted on Dec, 26 2005 @ 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by Conspirator_101
In theory, if a European country issues an arrest warrent, then the country in Europe which has them is obliged to send them. Like i said, in theory, it wont happen, the UK is too far up Americas arse, and wouldnt send secret agents to Italy for trial.

In real life the UK would give the italy a "royal" salute, btw "up the US's arse"?
So we're allies makes us brown nosers huh?

And the CIA, are above the law, they do not answer to anyone, and that is a fact. The president does not control them, and even if he did have the powers to do so, how would he? the CIA are so big and widespread, if anything, they control the president.

The CIA are not above the law, they can be arrested.