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There are no justifications for targeting civilians, in Iraq or anywhere else. Armed groups as well as governments must respect the laws of war
A central problem is the lack of accountability for U.S. soldiers and commanders in Iraq. According to CPA Regulation Number 17, Iraqi courts cannot prosecute coalition soldiers, so it is the responsibility of the participating coalition countries to investigate allegations of excessive force and unlawful killings, and to hold accountable soldiers and commanders found to have violated domestic military codes or international humanitarian law. The lack of timely and thorough investigations into many questionable incidents has created an atmosphere of impunity, in which many soldiers feel they can pull the trigger without coming under review
Originally posted by aape
Keep in mind that HRW raport for civilian deaths caused by illegimate actions caused by us troops haven´t got any attention in usa either. And only 5 cases of 94 civilian deaths caused by illegal actions have been studied by us army.It seems that us troops are not bound by laws in iraq.
[edit on 22-12-2005 by aape]
Prisoners held without trial or rights
Then explain why the media can cover US forces killing civilians but not insurgents?
Originally posted by aape
wtf this has to do with media coverage.
Problem is that no one in usa legislation is willing to put people in court after they have killd innocent civilians. Read the invidual cases and you will understand the situations. One of them was a bomb explosion near road check, and after that soldier opened fire on everyone around them.
HRW knew abu graib way before someone did something about it. It was only after washington post posted info about that prison. You can find an address to mr.bush to ban torture methods. Torture is banned in geneve treaty, so is killing unarmed civilians.
You should really fix problems inside USA before attacking other nations on reason "correcting their problems".
Originally posted by xmotex
The media don't cover insurgent attacks on civilians?
What media are you watching? Nearly every other day I hear about a carbombing killing a bunch of Iraqi civilians. Selective perception is a wonderful thing I guess.
Originally posted by aape
Well I have seen lot more media coverage about war crimes of insurgents than about warcrimes of us/uk soldiers.
Example the un bombings etc.
But i just cannot understand why such outrage about their warcrimes when the whole war started based on a crime and lies.
And no one has adressed in states about the fact that they are not prosecuting no one about these civilian killings.
I bet they will prosecute every one of insurgent or lock them up in some secret prison and then they are just making one crime more.
Originally posted by aape
i´m lookin courts..i haven´t seen a case after or before abu graib..and there are still those 94 killed civilians before 2004 which haven´t been adressed even when they know which division was responsible for killing.
-aape
No they dont report warcrimes.
So you hear about carbombing and then hear about US or UK prisnor "abuse" tales, when do you hear about iraqi abuse stories?
Originally posted by xmotex
Bull. What do you think the carbombings of civilians are?
The kidnappings, beheadings, etc... tell me with a straight face that these don't get reported on.
For the life of me I can't make sense of this sentence.
Beheading prisoners doesn't count as "abuse"? The media hasn't reported on the beheadings? Do I actually need to bother to go find a zillion links to disprove this?
[edit on 12/22/05 by xmotex]
Originally posted by aape
Maybe iraqi insurgents using childs/whatever as shields is just a boogie man story created by your governments?
And I feel the same that most of the warcrimes aren´t reported, meaning us warcrimes. But what is the use of report those if only ones being punished are the iraqis?
-aape