Stalin's half-man, half-ape super-warriors

I think all the powers are in some shame for DNA playing God in some way.
I think we need just to look at ourselfs to see change. I read some place that the avg 15 year old kid will be around 200lbs. in the year 2010.
Sorry i was 140 lbs. at 15 years old. what's up with all this ?

Evolution? Survival of the Fittest? We get bigger, faster, stronger... and mature faster so we can reproduce quicker?

Originally posted by BradKellBrrexkl
Evolution? Survival of the Fittest? We get bigger, faster, stronger... and mature faster so we can reproduce quicker?

Come on now! Evolution takes 1,000s of years, not one generation.
As for the reproducing part. I think we have need to look at what they say about the world pop being around 12 billion in the year 2010. If we get quicker at reproducing...........................

Originally posted by StellarX
I am always surprised when people say something is impossible but i find it especially ironic when it happens on this forum. Why is it that some people are willing to make this claim when we still know so little about evolutionary biology and genetics?

Stellar

Dude they tried artificial insemination NOT transgenics. It would probably be possible to create a hy-brid now or in the near future but during Stalins era it was quite impossible. They didn't even know the Genome existed back then :p

Originally posted by pieman
Any animal with closely related genetic coding can be ''crossed'' as with donkeys and horses making mules so it seems entirly possible to make a monkey man if your sick enough to try!!

Wouldn't actually work. The apes are a different family and genus.

While you could cross different species, the chances of an ape and a human being able to produce offspring are about the same as crossbreeding an elephant and a skunk.

The great apes are members of the family Pongideae while humans are Hominidae.

Evolution can change over a small amount of time at the proper level.

Explain how else girls are getting prenant earlier in the life cycle, starting their periods so much sooner, than just 10 years ago.

I'm not talking earth shaking we've grown gills kind of evolution, I'm talking small scale changes that occur. The average man/woman continues to get Bigger, Taller, Faster, Stronger than the previous generation. 5 years ago you never heard of a man running a 40 yard dash in under 4.4. Now people are running that same distance in 4.2. That's improvement... and it's due to something. We continue to physically get better as a human race, and it shows every generation. This is why old Olympic Records continue to fall. They can't keep the print press working fast enough to keep up with the chances in Track and Field records anymore.

Look at sports and you see this in startling clarity.

Also, I didn't say reprodcuing was the RIGHT thing to do, due to overcrowding as it is. But SPECISE are made to reproduce... if they don't they die out. We have evolved to now do that sooner than years before.

Originally posted by BradKellBrrexkl

Explain how else girls are getting prenant earlier in the life cycle, starting their periods so much sooner, than just 10 years ago.

Perhaps growth hormones that are in Milk and meat products are causing this situation. 10 years is a blink of an eye when it comes to mans evolution and I think (correct me if Im wrong) that man-made chemicals or devices can screw up our natural evolution...maybe speeding it up.

Max

Originally posted by Nakash
Human DNA is NOT 99.99% accurate with Chimp DNA. That's a misconception due to an innacurate method of splicing genes and putting the Nucleotides back together. According to this method, the simplest prokaryote has 99% similar DNA to humans. The single biggest problem with the method is that it doesn't distinguish between our useless 90-98% DNA introns obtained via Viral infections and then transmitted throughout generations, and the "true" DNA used for translation and transcription.

[edit on 21-12-2005 by Nakash]

What I think you are talking about is when you replicate DNA you mix the enzyme helicase with a strand of DNA and it basically unwinds it then it replicates itself, But with the Translations and transcriptions that would be RNA which differs slightly as it is not double helix but single strand and has the base Uracil instead of Thymine. See you can take a piece of human DNA and put a restriction enzyme on it and cut it, that leaves sticky ends wich can connect with other sticky ends with the same corresponding bases, you can take the human DNA and mix it with Bacterial DNA or RNA and have the bacteria pass that DNA on to their offspring. That is done with the insulin gene. I think you are right LA_Maximus about the Growth Hormones in the food etc. the hormones in them are actually very very similar to the one that are used to increase breast size. My dad was talking to some other parents one time about how high school has changed and he said that the high school girls now look like the college girls when he was a teenager.

[edit on 22-12-2005 by Senor_Vicente]

Originally posted by sardion2000
Dude they tried artificial insemination NOT transgenics. It would probably be possible to create a hy-brid now or in the near future but during Stalins era it was quite impossible. They didn't even know the Genome existed back then :p

Who said anything about transgenics and why does artificial insemination completely rule out chance mutants in your, apparent, expert opinion? I did not claim they could breed an army of like mutants but hell knows what you can manage once you have something that is alive and not sterile......

Stellar

Vicente, I'm not talking about how the RNA strands used in translation have Uracil bases instead of Thymine and are single stranded (thus obviously differing from the DNA source), I'm saying that the mirror imaged RNA strands gotten during transciption of certain loci in our true DNA for both Apes and humans is absolutely different once you remove all the useless viral introns which make up the gros majority of our DNA.

Originally posted by Nakash
Human DNA is NOT 99.99% accurate with Chimp DNA. That's a misconception due to an innacurate method of splicing genes and putting the Nucleotides back together. According to this method, the simplest prokaryote has 99% similar DNA to humans. The single biggest problem with the method is that it doesn't distinguish between our useless 90-98% DNA introns obtained via Viral infections and then transmitted throughout generations, and the "true" DNA used for translation and transcription.

You sure they arent basing the 99.99% on the genetic code of ribosomes?

Originally posted by ShadowXIX
Some people think this ape named oliver (the one in pieman's link) is a Humanzee. He walks upright and is genetically different from any know chimp. There was a more recent blood test once they found Oliver again he was missing for a number of years, that seem to show he has 48 chromosomes rather then the earlier tested 47. The correct number for chimps but he had some weird variation in his genetic code that match up with no other chimp.

Those variations could be due to radioation for instance.. Just blabbering out thoughts.

[edit on 22/12/05 by Thain Esh Kelch]

Originally posted by Nakash
Human DNA is NOT 99.99% accurate with Chimp DNA. That's a misconception due to an innacurate method of splicing genes and putting the Nucleotides back together.

Thats interesting but who stated that Chimp and Human DNA are 99.9% accurate in this thread?? I cant find a single post before yours making that claim. In one of my post I mentioned the amount of Hybrids like Mules that turn out to be sterile which is about 99.9%

Was that just a random fact you threw out or did you just see 99.9% and assumed I was talking about the relation between humans and chimps?

Sorry- that was a claim I saw the other day on the discovery Channel (that human/chimp DNA is 98.9% accurate). I stand corrected.

[edit on 22-12-2005 by Nakash]

Originally posted by LA_Maximus

Originally posted by BradKellBrrexkl

Explain how else girls are getting prenant earlier in the life cycle, starting their periods so much sooner, than just 10 years ago.

Perhaps growth hormones that are in Milk and meat products are causing this situation. 10 years is a blink of an eye when it comes to mans evolution and I think (correct me if Im wrong) that man-made chemicals or devices can screw up our natural evolution...maybe speeding it up.

Max

It's what I was thinking Max
I have noted that we no longer have big RHF or VFH systems around. They have replaced the old microwave towers. God knows what we have done to our DNA with all the X-Rays and other growth hormones.
Viagra might have a shot at it too!
With the earth changing us changing the earth and ourselfs putting into the pot, what will come next?

[edit on 22-12-2005 by Mr101Hazardous]

Originally posted by Conquistadork
I've read elsewhere that various Soviet dictators had dabbled in the methods/science of "Zombieification".


They believed that if they could turn their own citizens into an army of mindless cannibals in the event of a NATO invasion that the weak Western armies would run in fear, and that they could then easily come back and clean up their own mess.

A small advice to you! Forget your agitation films about The Cold War. There are no any truth.

They also dreamt of applying this same method of Zombieification, if I remember correctly was the bombardment of high levels of radiation and various chemicals on civilian populations, on the citizens of major US/European cities to throw them into disarray and then easily crush them with their own armed forces.

Please, don't tell us about Hitler's dreams. The US was the first follower in it realization.
By the way, I see, that nowadays only US provides such "programs" ( Yugoslavia, Iraq ). And don't tell me fairy tales about "harmless" weapons.

What in Gods name are you talking about Stone? Please be more clear, I hardly understand a sentence of that, no offense to you. What do you mean in Yugoslavia and Iraq? Are we turning Iraqis into zombies?

Originally posted by Byrd

Originally posted by pieman
Any animal with closely related genetic coding can be ''crossed'' as with donkeys and horses making mules so it seems entirly possible to make a monkey man if your sick enough to try!!

Wouldn't actually work. The apes are a different family and genus.

While you could cross different species, the chances of an ape and a human being able to produce offspring are about the same as crossbreeding an elephant and a skunk.

The great apes are members of the family Pongideae while humans are Hominidae.

strangly enough we're the only ones in that family, isn't that a victorian clasification on the gounds that humans are somhow above other animals and if not, 'cos i might be wrong, what is the basis for setting humans apart from other primates, scientifically? can you provide links please,i'd be very interested.

Aussie Boffins created a few Zombie dogs some time ago (no BS) who knows what mostrosities the Pentagon has managed to create in it's own black project labs.

That AIDS walked in through.

Way wrong way to go.

Sounds like Stalin was suffering from envy after watching the US Marines in action

Originally posted by Conquistadork
What in Gods name are you talking about Stone? Please be more clear, I hardly understand a sentence of that, no offense to you. What do you mean in Yugoslavia and Iraq? Are we turning Iraqis into zombies?

Don't you understand me? OK.
My position:

1) In USSR was propaganda, but not zombiing. There was no man, who wanted to be dead for communist ideas. There was people, who protected their country and wanted to improve it's positions on the world arena. It's quetly normal for any strong nation in the world .And I don't know anything about Stalin's plans to make "apes warriors" ( may be it's only a fiction of western press?)
2) There was no plans of special nuclear bombardment of any countries, but there was only a plan of adequate reaction on the agression of US and other NATO countries.
3) Yugoslavia and Iraq you sayd. I think, you know, that any sentences about "terrorism" and "oppression of albans in Kosovo" are only good motivations to start a "local war" to change a government of country. And to get access to it's natural ( cheap oil in Iraq ) and people resources.
There is no USSR anymore. What does US war against?
The USA nowaday is a real agressor.
P.S. I'm not a nationalyst/communist and I'm not a member of any political party. Everything I sayed here is my own opinion.
Thet's all.