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Originally posted by Odium
Socialist Party?
Why spread such lies, when you are speaking out against the "rigged game"? Neither of the main candidates were a socialist party in fact, they are far from it. Instead of helping you shout out aboust "Socialist" this and that and cause more harm than good.
Originally posted by RANT
What I'll add to what Ambient said though is the place to unrig a deck of cards is PRIMARIES.
It's not enough to vote for the challenger. Make sure you vote for the challenger the PARTY doesn't want (in most cases).
These are typically real people their own party fears. They aren't part of the game.
Originally posted by Ambient Sound
Originally posted by RANT
What I'll add to what Ambient said though is the place to unrig a deck of cards is PRIMARIES.
It's not enough to vote for the challenger. Make sure you vote for the challenger the PARTY doesn't want (in most cases).
These are typically real people their own party fears. They aren't part of the game.
Good point and I'll incorporate it into my voting policy.
Originally posted by RANT
I think we have something here. It's the "Mavericks" that can unify across party lines, even from within the superficial affiliation of a party. If people can just look past the party and get over their own preconceptions, we could really change things.
If the media ever tries to paint a candidate as 'crazy' or outside the mainstream, take a closer look. There may be something there.
Originally posted by cavscout
Go look up socialism and tell me you don’t see it in the big two. While your at it, go find the platform of the socialist party from the 30s and compare it the big two today, you wont see too many differences.
Originally posted by cavscout
A heap of trash by any other name smells just as bad.
Originally posted by Odium
It happens to be my main area of focus in my degree. Which aspect would you desire me to look up and by which writer? Classic or Neo-Socialism? Marixsm, with the works of Engals or Communism? Stalinism or Leninism? The fact there are at least 20 different socialist theories I can think of, it would be much wiser for you to do a little bit of research and use the real name because I can tell you now it isn't anything like the writings or Robert Owen or Saint-Simon.
Originally posted by cavscout
A heap of trash by any other name smells just as bad.
Actually it smells like whatever it is called. :-)
Problem is, neither party is a socialist party by the classical definition nor by the newer definition. So which sub-theory are we talking about?
Which is why we have a Bill of Rights, to protect us from the mianstream.
Originally posted by Saphronia
Sometimes it's hard to admit when your views aren't in the mainstream.
Who is "us"? Do you mean the "us" that sends people with guns to steal on their behalf (see:taxes)? Well, of course it works for you; you get something for nothing.
All I'm saying is sometimes its easier to blame the system because its not working for you...but it works for some of us because we agree with the republicrats.
Now, if we had a party of moderates where a voter could say okay, he doesn't support social sercurity in its current form but he has a very viable alternative and he's prochoice--then hey--I'd give him a look, but that just doesn't exist in our system. Its very frown worthy.
Well, of course it works for you; you get something for nothing.
Originally posted by Ambient Sound
What we got instead was a useless war, loss of essential freedoms, orwellian mind control tactics, the biggest increase in goverment spending and corruption in history, and the imposition of religious dogma into the lives of individual citizens. I assure you, I wasn't intending to vote for any of that, but unknown to me, I apparently did. I won't be making that mistake again.
Originally posted by cavscout
Yes, yes...you’re very smart.
Originally posted by cavscout
Obviously I was not saying that either of the big 2 are actually socialist parties.
Originally posted by cavscout
Just look at the choices we get. Socialist Party A or Socialist Party B.
Originally posted by cavscout
There, feel better? Can we continue on with what we were discussing now, or do I need to further clarify something that shouldn’t have needed clarification in the first place?
Originally posted by cavscout
Does it offend you or hurt your feelings for some reason to hear that many aspects of modern "non-socialist" political parties closely resemble the socialist movement and its doctrine?
Originally posted by Saphronia
Tis pointless to even take the time to create a thread if as soon as someone disagrees with you it all of sudden becomes a waste of time, don't you think?
You put your opinion up and I read it and commented. Fact is I like the party I vote for...if I didn't I wouldn't vote. [/quote
But, I thought you wanted a party of moderates that doesn’t exist. Very frown worthy, remember?
I don't understand this comment because I don't where you got that I want something for nothing, but I won't ask you to waste your time explaining it.
Oh, well I will waste my time without you asking me to, then. When you support taxation, you want to get (or want someone else to get) something for nothing. I work very hard for money and I want to keep it. There are other, better ways for citizens to get what they need, rather than someone (the IRS) to commit armed robbery on their behalf.