posted on Dec, 15 2005 @ 09:42 AM
Originally posted by scienceguy94
one who created man and the earth.
What do you mean by "one"? What do you mean by "created"?
The universe is one, and it is the origin of man and the earth, so if that meets your definition then there is plenty of evidence for the existence of
the universe, i.e., of God.
I'm not just being facetious here. My experience has been that atheists who call for proof of God's existence have a concept of God in their heads
that trivializes the concept, they genuinely believe that religious people believe in that trivialized and absurd concept of God, and they are
challenging for proof of THAT, not of what religious people actually believe -- because they don't UNDERSTAND what religious people actually
No communication is possible under those circumstances. What religious people actually believe in is the validity and reality of certain experiences
which have changed their lives. "God," along with all other religious doctrines, is in effect a model or theory explaining those experiences.
There may be some problems with those models or theories. But as long as you fail to acknowledge the experiences underlying them -- and show that you
have clue one what they're all about -- nobody is going to listen to you, because it will be abundantly clear that you don't know what you're
So -- let's just acknowledge that there is no proof of the existence of the trivialized, absurd, kindergarten-level notion of God you have in your
head, and wrongly think other people believe in. Nor, in fact, do I think that kindergarten creation does exist.
Having dealt with that, can we move on to something more serious?