"Maybe these factors should be thought of before starting a family in the first place"
Hind sight is ALWAYS 20/20, but the reality is many folks who saw their previous jobs dry up because of Wal-Mart's march on the mindless have no
recourse but to submit to employment at and by the hand of Wal-Mart. They already had families. What you suggest is that Wal-Mart is the FIRST stop on
the job search for some kid who got his girlfriend in trouble. I'm at a loss to see how you could miss the point so completely.
"Oh yes, $9.25 an hour with no health benifits and the lack of job secuirity where if your boss or supervisor doesn't like you he can fire
you or make your live a living hell. Not to metion lay-offs or cut hours after the holidays. 9.25 is nothing and is well below the level of
Read above, right from a past Wal-Mart employee. He saw it, he lived it, became a victim to Wal-Mart management. But that's only from the horse's
mouth, why believe him? Right? Indeed, Wal-Mart has lost Sam's vision.
And to those who think price is the common denominator - are you all driving Lada's and wearing running shoes? Didn't think so.
"I have to laugh at some of these people. Suppose every Wal-mart were to permanently close tomorrow. Do people somehow think that new, better
paying jobs are just suddenly going to appear out of thin air?
While you are laughing at these people, laugh about the good paying jobs that were lost to Wal-Mart in the first place. Break into knee slapping
laughter at the jobs leaving the US manufacturing sector while "these people" work for a fraction of what they once earned. Errupt into
rib-splitting Gaffas' as "these people" discover they can no longer afford American made products much less anything else. Peel back your lips and
roar in delirium at "these people."
"That's something I don't understand--FEMA, you say many other jobs died a horrible death because of Walmart. Retail's not the only gig in
It's about quality of life. Your statement shows you don't fully understand the cause and effect relationship that this type of predatory practice
has on a community. Consider the janitor at the local school. He is not subject to what Wal-Mart does, right? Wrong.
His job is lost because the shop owner who sold flowers went out of business because Wal-Mart started selling flowers as a lost liter (something sold
at a loss to encourage store traffic in order to sell another product to the impulse buyer) to get folks to come in. That shop owner moved to a
bigger town taking her kids and family with her. Tax revenue was lost from her sales. Her employee now seeks work - will likely be hired by Wal-Mart
for less money. The school board is now looking at closing another school because of dwindling enrollment as families leave in search for better
While the example is a simple one, it remains a true one based on statistics. Do you think people are up in arms because they simply want to complain?
They don't like free enterprise? No. The stories of what Wal-Mart has done to towns and cities across America are legion. The stories of what
they've done and continue to do to employees can fill volumes.
I own a business, a couple of them infact, aside from being a firefighter. I start my employees at 20 dollars (well, $19.45) an hour with 6 month
reviews and raises based on performance of their tasks. I also, after they are fully vested in the company (9 months), offer to pay for their
education - yes, their education. My company pays on a pro-rated basis. If the employee gets 80% or better my company pays for their education in
full. If their marks fall below 80% to 70%+ then we only pay for 80% and the employee picks up the other 20%. If they fall below 70% we pay only 60%
and if they fall below 60% they are on their own and we pay nothing. At every turn we encourage our employees to be the best they can be and our HR
department will bring resources to bear on whatever they need to achieve excellence. So far we have had 4 employees get their Masters degrees. Eleven
have earned BAs. Fourty-two have completed highschool upgrading with honors.
The reason I offer this is not entirely unselfish. These people stay with the company, they do not run off looking for something better. With their
Masters degrees they bring new knowledge and inspiration to the company, they enter solid management positions and help the company move on to bigger
and better things, see business potential, market trends. It now costs companies in general about 50-thousand dollars to have an employee leave. We
offer an Employee Stock Option Plan (ESOP) and a MPP, Money Purchase Plan, wherein they are set comfortably for retirement upon leaving us.
We start people on the production floor so they develop an understanding of what we do from the ground up. They then can compete for a shift
managment/team leader position. After that they become a operations manager. From there they are encouraged to join the business unit as a manager.
From there they are encouraged to move into upper management as an executive.
If all you can see in your future is $9.25 you're not the person for this company. In fact, here is a little known trick HR departments will play on
would-be employees. We will ask what you see yourself doing with the company should you be hired, AND what you want to accomplish with your life.
Do you know how many people have no idea what they want to do with their life? Or how many don't have the vision to see themselves working at a
higher level than the entery level position they are applying for? It's astounding and a one-way trip to the garbage for their application.
The issue behind this thread as I see it is: "Is capitalism without conscience acceptable?" I say it is not nor do things have to be that way. You
have to be a responsible player in your business community along with being a responsible person in your living community. My companies do not stand
alone in our business practices; there are many out there that do what we do and more for their employees.
Question is, do you think Wal-Mart can do better?
Edited for typo, it's a curse.
[edit on 10-12-2005 by FEMA]