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India asks America for AESA radars

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posted on Dec, 3 2005 @ 12:25 AM

New Delhi’s interest in the advanced Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar and other sensitive military technologies topped the agenda at the Nov. 23 meeting of the India-U.S. Defense Policy Group in Washington.

U.S. officials promised to consider an Indian request to buy the advanced radar, which is more sensitive, reliable and flexible than New Delhi’s current sensors, said sources familiar with the meeting.

Chaired by Shekar Dutt, India’s defense secretary, and Eric Edelman, the U.S. defense undersecretary for policy, the meeting marked the seventh gathering of the policy group and the first for its Defense Production and Procurement Group, Indian Embassy officials said Nov. 23.


So much for trying to develop their own. Why build something yourself when you can buy it from someone else.

posted on Dec, 3 2005 @ 02:02 AM
Or why not try both at the same time?

posted on Dec, 3 2005 @ 02:46 AM
I think India will get the radar in due course. Meerly offering the radar will tip the scales in favor of the F-18E that has been offered. It would also make the IAF even that more potent in the region. India has a requirement for cruise missile defence and this would fit the bill nicely

posted on Dec, 3 2005 @ 03:49 AM
The sale of the AESA radars to India with the American airplane itself hasd been cleared by the US Congress some time back.

The Bush Admn. had also promised India Technology Transfer on these AESA radars.

However India is now asking for only AESA radars without the American airplane to incorporate them into existant non-American airplanes in the IAF fleet... and it will be interesting to see America's reation to this

posted on Dec, 3 2005 @ 04:19 AM
So then, MiG 35's with US AESA radars? Interesting.

posted on Dec, 3 2005 @ 04:53 AM
The Russians will allow anything -- look at what Mig's director had to say >>

According to MiG Deputy Chief Designer Andrei Karasyov MiG-35 is capable of delivering all present and future weapons, since it has universal open architecture.

We are willing to integrate any system, as the user wants it." MiG officials expect India to ask for Israeli Elta radars, display components from France and weaponry of Russian origin. "We have not frozen the technology specifications," said Fyodorov.

The Russians say they can offer the MiG-35 in a Brahmos-like package to India—100% transfer technology and rights for manufacture within India, and jointly develop the aircraft further and sell it to third countries. "It is a double jump over the Sukhoi deal, so to speak," said a senior official in Rosoboronexport, Russia’s defence export agency. The Sukhoi-30MKI also has thrust vector technology, but is limited to one direction. The technology installed in MiG-35 would allow 360 degree manoeuvrability. And, though the Sukhoi-MKI was developed jointly, there is no provision for joint marketing in the deal.

The Su-30 MKI also features loads of French and Israeli components.

Further, Mig's director has openly said he thinks that India will opt for an Israeli radar from Elta....and the only radar that Elta are offering India right now is their latest EL/M-2052 AESA radar. This one has 1500 T/R modules ( only the F/A-22's has more - 2000 to be precise). The 2052 has a ridiculously high tracking capability of 64 targets. In the air-to-sea mode, the radarcan acquire and track surface targets up to 160 nm away.

Israel are aggressively marketing this radar to India and are advertising it for every aircplane in the IAF inventory .... the offer is also open for the LCA ..... here is the 2052 displayed at Aero India -2005.

Read the text in the pic for more details >>

In addition its also noteworthy that the Mig-35 that Russia are offering India is the first Russian aircraft to feature an open architecture avionics suite with a MIL-STD-1553B multiplex bus ( a western data bus !), so as to enable integration of western radars, avionics, display units, HUD's etc into the Russain airplane ( link )

[edit on 3-12-2005 by Stealth Spy]

posted on Dec, 3 2005 @ 11:40 AM
So much for trying to develop their own. Why build something yourself when you can buy it from someone else.

Dude, hardly anyone is advanced enough to develop AESA radars, and those that are have basically derivitives of American radars... or simply have bought them from America.

India wasn't developing any AESA radars on their own, so what's with all this 'so much for...' nonsense?

posted on Dec, 4 2005 @ 01:39 AM

Originally posted by rajkhalsa2004
So much for trying to develop their own. Why build something yourself when you can buy it from someone else.

Dude, hardly anyone is advanced enough to develop AESA radars, and those that are have basically derivitives of American radars... or simply have bought them from America.

India wasn't developing any AESA radars on their own, so what's with all this 'so much for...' nonsense?

Think before you speak

posted on Dec, 4 2005 @ 04:12 AM
It might be easier to buy a working system than build there own

a shorter link to the indian AESA.

Or maybe they are going to do a `china` and buy 1 and reverse engineer it and sell it to everyone??

posted on Dec, 4 2005 @ 04:36 AM
Its no secret that American AESA radars are more than a cut above the rest.

posted on Dec, 4 2005 @ 05:28 AM

On the one hand I am very much a proponent of building US-India relations. I see them as a key long term ally.

On the other hand, I am not sure I want them getting something as sensitive as our top of the line radars at this juncture. I would like to have a clearer picture of Indias stance towards the US (and her potential enemies) before I would comit to putting our fighters crown jewl in Indias hands.

posted on Dec, 4 2005 @ 08:39 AM
Barring all patriotic aspects, India has in thelast 20 years or so, proven itself to be the type of nation which does not actively seek to weaponise the world, by overtly/covertly supplying weapons,nuclear materials, technology to other states, may they be peaceful or aggresive in nature(esp since that is a totally relative concept).
So if you're worried about the info falling into the hands of the Russians, chinese etc., you can be rest assured that it won't.

posted on Dec, 4 2005 @ 08:58 AM
there are taking over the world!!! as everyone has moved there call centres there

imagine the crash if india decided to cut off the world - no one would get banking support

posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 10:19 PM

Originally posted by Harlequin
Or maybe they are going to do a `china` and buy 1 and reverse engineer it and sell it to everyone??

There is no need to Reverse Engineer anything ... US is willing to provide technology transfer for the AN/APG-79 AESA radar.

US media reports indicate Bush administration’s clearance for possible transfer of sensitive radar technology like Raytheon AN/APG-79 AESA radar of the Super Hornet to India


Quite honestly, I dont see how India can say "NO" to Russia or France if they ask India to share this technology.

This radar is very potent ... here's a new article on it ...

The revolutionary APG-79 AESA (Active Electronically Scanned Array) radar developed by Raytheon Company's Space and Airborne Systems (SAS) has scored another first. The system successfully delivered multiple JDAMs (Joint Direct Attack Munition) using real-time targeting coordinates derived from a high resolution SAR (synthetic aperture radar) image during recent testing at the U.S. Navy's China Lake facility.

This latest demonstration confirms the radar's real-time targeting capability and establishes a new standard for time-critical precision strike. The APG-79 radar also allows aircrews to operate at a greater stand-off distance, in all weather and has the ability to target multiple coordinates off the same map, which has not been possible before.

To further demonstrate the synergy of the onboard Raytheon sensors, the JDAM test also employed the ATFLIR (Advanced Targeting Forward-Looking Infrared) system to provide imagery of the targeting area. Interfacing seamlessly with the APG-79, ATFLIR recorded the impact of the weapons against two diverse targets, confirming simultaneous weapon delivery while providing post-impact bomb damage information.

Erv Grau, Raytheon vice president for Air Combat Avionics, said: "The beauty of our AESA radar is the revolutionary real-time targeting capability it brings to the F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet. This has not been done before. Simultaneous air-to-ground weapons delivery is now possible against multiple targets using our high resolution SAR images. Furthermore, we were able to demonstrate the seamless operation between the radar and ATFLIR which further enhances the superiority of the Super Hornet."

The APG-79 is the world's only air-to-air and air-to-surface multi-mode AESA radar in production today.

"These tests prove that the radar can work flawlessly with the other critical mission systems on the aircraft, such as the Joint Helmet-Mounted Cueing system, the Multi-function Information Distribution System, ATFLIR and both the ALR-67v3 and IDECM electronic warfare systems," said Chris Chadwick, vice president for Boeing's F/A-18 program. "It is this integrated weapon system approach that will give our warfighters the edge they need to dominate the battlespace."

The program has also been highly successful during the recent air-to-air live fire demonstrations last month in which an AMRAAM was successfully deployed. This proved that weapons delivery from an AESA equipped F/A-18 can now be executed at ranges not possible before.

"In the past, the weapon's capability exceeded that of the aircraft. The missile could reach the target, but the radar couldn't see it. Now, with the APG-79 radar, the aircraft's capability exceeds that of the weapon, and this gives us an enormous advantage when prosecuting a mission," said Capt. Aaron "Slime" Bowman, U.S. Navy AESA program manager for the F/A-18.

The APG-79 program is on target to transition from engineering manufacturing development into integrated test and evaluation shortly. This will be followed by the start of operational evaluation in late spring 2006.

So far each phase has been successfully completed on schedule with outstanding results.

article >>


: Speaking at an update on the Super Hornet, Chris Chadwick, vice-president F/A-18 Program with Boeing Integrated Defense Systems, said the US and Indian governments were holding talks over what technology could be released for the approaching competition for 126 multirole fighters.

The Block 2 includes advanced systems such as the APG-79 Active Electronically Scanned Array, Advanced Targeting FLIR and Multi-Functional Information Distribution System. Co-production with India is likely.

"We know they're interested in co-production and technology transfer," he said. "We're willing to entertain all these different options."


posted on Dec, 6 2005 @ 11:19 PM
Has the americans ever helped a another country to build up their aircraft manufracturing capabilites which will take over american exports.? What i think the americans will do is force the indians to buy american instead of what the indians want to do (build indigenous).

Indians build their AESA radar based on american technology the americans will clamp down on future exports to india. Thats if they decide to export which i think DRDO will do

The indians should cut and run with what they can get and build from there

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