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The Greeks used both the word Messias (a transliteration) and Christos (a translation) for the Hebrew Mashiach (Anointed). The word Christos was far more acceptable to the pagans who were worshiping Chreston and Chrestos.[...]the inscription Chrestos is to be seen on a Mithras relief in the Vatican. According to Christianity and Mythology, Osiris, the Sun-deity of Egypt, was reverenced as Chrestos. In the Synagogue of the Marcionites on Mount Hermon, built in the third century A.D., the Messiah's title is spelled Chrestos. According to Tertullian and Lactantius, the common people usually called Christ Chrestos
Originally posted by Nygdan
Interesting, however this means little more than that people tended to use the word Christos instead of Messias, merely because they were more comfortable with the sound 'christos'.
Jesus is pretty clearly laid out as the 'annointed one who will save israel' in the gospels, irrespective of, literally, semantics.
Originally posted by Nygdan
Not sure how the usage of chrestos in that synagoge fits into this tho. Presumably a synagoge would be frequented by jews, to whom the chrestos appellation wouldn't appeal to.
The Old Testament is true enough, Moses and the Prophets are messengers of the Demiurge, the Jewish Messias is sure to come and found a millennial kingdom for the Jews on earth, but the Jewish messias has nothing whatever to do with the Christ of God.
To Marcion however Christ was God Manifest not God Incarnate
Originally posted by Nygdan
The Old Testament is true enough, Moses and the Prophets are messengers of the Demiurge, the Jewish Messias is sure to come and found a millennial kingdom for the Jews on earth, but the Jewish messias has nothing whatever to do with the Christ of God.
Intersting.
I allways find it difficult to reconile heresy when its in opposition to what we at least think the apostles were all about. It seems that this Marcion rejects most apostles and strongly favours Paul.
WHich is interesting from the dualist perspective, since, I think, most dualists favour Paul, and I think one group are called "Paullines"
As far as the name change, it still seems obvious that christos is the original name, and that the usage of chrestos was a populism, a fad, so to speak. Something that made christianity more familiar to the pagan public, like having saints and churches on pagan shrines.
These marcians seem to call the supreme god the 'good god', so perhaps chrestos was a triple meaning for them, a play on christos and chrestos as sounds, and also a reference to the 'good god'.
Tho this page seems to quote them as using "agathos theos", the 'rightly god', so perhaps they wouldn't be using chrestos because of that.
Also, it seems that these marcians recognize christ as, while not messiah of jewish lore, still as God.
I like this line:
To Marcion however Christ was God Manifest not God Incarnate
REminiscent of how the orthodox faith and early church fathers had to consider if christ had a Nature of Man or a nature of God, while still acceptinbg that either way 'christ is god', etc.
Often the whole 'dualistic' bit gets taken as meaing 'jesus is just this guy, see', so its especially interesting to see it as 'well of course he's god".
What would help your idea I think is to find a group that doesn't beleive in the divinity of christ and refer to him as chrestos.
Originally posted by Leveller
By claiming Jesus to be the Jewish Messiah, did they not halt the universality of Christianity? The Jewish faith would not accept a Messiah, but maybe they would have accepted the "Chrestos".
So, what's in a name? Jesus Chrestos or Jesus Christos?
[...]Was Christos adopted to distance Christianity from paganism?
Originally posted by Leveller
They didn't use the word "Christos". They used "Chrestos" - a word that was around a long time before Christianity began.
If this is the case, did the editors of the New Testament harm Jesus' cause and the new religion of Christianity?
Originally posted by queenannie38
I think any confusion between the words 'chrestos' and 'Christos' must surely be rooted in either misunderstanding or poor translation of some sort.