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NEWS: Melbourne Man To Hang In Singapore
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A 25 year old man from Melbourne in Australia has lost his final bid against his death sentencein Singapore. The loss of the appeal for clemency by
the Australian government means that Nguyen Tuong Van may hang within a week. Mr Nguyen's Australian lawyers have not given up hope and are lobbying
for other public international figures including the pope to intervene. Mr Nguyen was caught in Singapore with a large quantity of heroin which it is
believed he was transporting from Vietnam to Australia in 2002.
www.abc.net.au
"We're obviously extremely disappointed with the news and the fact that the Singapore Government have decided to execute our client," he said.
"Indeed it's news that's devastating for him and for his family."
Prime Minister John Howard says Singapore's confirmation of the death sentence for Nguyen is a terrible reminder of the tough drug laws in Asia.
Mr Howard says the Australian Government has done all it could.
"It's a sad thing for his family, it is a terrible reminder of the consequences of taking and dealing in drugs in Asian countries," he said.
"It was made very clear to me when I saw the Singapore Prime Minister at the beginning of this year, when I raised this matter in my meeting with him that the Singaporeans took a very tough line on drugs."
Foreign Affairs Minister Alexander Downer says all avenues of appeal have been tested and Nguyen Tuong Van now faces death by hanging.
"We've appealed for clemency," he said.
"The Governor-General has [appealed] to the President of Singapore, the Prime Minister has to the President, and quite recently when I met with the Singapore Foreign Minister in Perth, I repeated our plea for clemency.
Mr Downer says he is saddened by the news.
"There's no question that due process has been followed here, it has," he said.
"Singapore does have a mandatory death sentence for trafficking in heroin and they're applying it which I'm afraid doesn't come as a great surprise to us. I've been pessimistic about this case for some time we've done everything we can to plead for his life."
Kim Nguyen - Mother of the Accused
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I can't help feeling that the Aus government could have tried harder but had no desire to. Rather they have taken the stance, let this man hang,
The government are seemingly thinking that if this man hangs, it will be a lesson and example to others that may follow the smuggling path to quick riches, let it be a warning not to export/import drugs. One sacrifice to scare others. I would say the execution will be televised somehow or a video secretly released on the Internet to really serve as a warning.
As Jack Boot's Johnny says, it is a terrible reminder of the tough drug laws in Asia.
Plea for clemency - Can you commute his sentence to life? No... Ok then...
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"We're obviously extremely disappointed with the news and the fact that the Singapore Government have decided to execute our client," he said.
"Indeed it's news that's devastating for him and for his family."
Prime Minister John Howard says Singapore's confirmation of the death sentence for Nguyen is a terrible reminder of the tough drug laws in Asia.
Mr Howard says the Australian Government has done all it could.
"It's a sad thing for his family, it is a terrible reminder of the consequences of taking and dealing in drugs in Asian countries," he said.
"It was made very clear to me when I saw the Singapore Prime Minister at the beginning of this year, when I raised this matter in my meeting with him that the Singaporeans took a very tough line on drugs."
Foreign Affairs Minister Alexander Downer says all avenues of appeal have been tested and Nguyen Tuong Van now faces death by hanging.
"We've appealed for clemency," he said.
"The Governor-General has [appealed] to the President of Singapore, the Prime Minister has to the President, and quite recently when I met with the Singapore Foreign Minister in Perth, I repeated our plea for clemency.
Mr Downer says he is saddened by the news.
"There's no question that due process has been followed here, it has," he said.
"Singapore does have a mandatory death sentence for trafficking in heroin and they're applying it which I'm afraid doesn't come as a great surprise to us. I've been pessimistic about this case for some time we've done everything we can to plead for his life."
Kim Nguyen - Mother of the Accused
Please visit the link provided for the complete story.
I can't help feeling that the Aus government could have tried harder but had no desire to. Rather they have taken the stance, let this man hang,
The government are seemingly thinking that if this man hangs, it will be a lesson and example to others that may follow the smuggling path to quick riches, let it be a warning not to export/import drugs. One sacrifice to scare others. I would say the execution will be televised somehow or a video secretly released on the Internet to really serve as a warning.
As Jack Boot's Johnny says, it is a terrible reminder of the tough drug laws in Asia.
Plea for clemency - Can you commute his sentence to life? No... Ok then...
Related News Links:
www.news.com.au
www.theage.com.au
www.thecouriermail.news.com.au
Well, if you're stupid enough to carry a "a large quantity of heroin" through a country very well known for it's harsh laws, you get what you
deserve.
It's their law and whilst state leaders can ask for clemency they can't really do much else. Is this drug-carrier worth tensions on Australias international relations? No.
Do the crime, do the time(and in this instance painful death).
[edit on 22-10-2005 by riotradio]
It's their law and whilst state leaders can ask for clemency they can't really do much else. Is this drug-carrier worth tensions on Australias international relations? No.
Do the crime, do the time(and in this instance painful death).
[edit on 22-10-2005 by riotradio]
riotradio
You are correct ..why does this happen when they know that what will happen to them is far greater then the money
You are correct ..why does this happen when they know that what will happen to them is far greater then the money
Which ever way you look at it, its still Murder
Nobody Derserves to be Hung.
My Friend got put in jail for 8 years for smuggling heroin back from Amsterdam, Yes he's an Idiot.
but 8 years in prison Is fair.
but to kill them? by HANGING? wtf?
Nobody Derserves to be Hung.
My Friend got put in jail for 8 years for smuggling heroin back from Amsterdam, Yes he's an Idiot.
but 8 years in prison Is fair.
but to kill them? by HANGING? wtf?
25 years old, that's not much older than me and so young for someone to face death. I can only imagine how distressed his parents must be, it's true
he broke the law but i know from experience how easily people can get lured into the drug trade (had a few friends who i grew up with that went down
that path). However like others have said not much can be done and I can understand Singapore wanting to stop people dealing drugs whatever the cost,
I'm just not sold on the idea that the death penalty is the best way to do that.
[edit on 22-10-2005 by Sabre262]
[edit on 22-10-2005 by Sabre262]
Mayet, I am going to take a strong stand on this issue.
IMHO his attempt to smuggle heroin = a ruthless, painful, torturous, death sentance for most end users. This is not aspirin, or a mild recreational drug you are talking about.
I would like to believe that if this man managed to smuggle herion into your community, and got your children hooked on heroin, you would not be in line asking for clemancy.
There a clear and public line drawn in most communities worldwide.
Crossing this line absolutely will not and should not be tolerated.
If that line IS crossed, then let it be said.....
God have mercy on the soul that harms, or attempts to harm our children
because
WE WON'T !!!
[edit on 22-10-2005 by makeitso]
IMHO his attempt to smuggle heroin = a ruthless, painful, torturous, death sentance for most end users. This is not aspirin, or a mild recreational drug you are talking about.
I would like to believe that if this man managed to smuggle herion into your community, and got your children hooked on heroin, you would not be in line asking for clemancy.
There a clear and public line drawn in most communities worldwide.
Crossing this line absolutely will not and should not be tolerated.
If that line IS crossed, then let it be said.....
God have mercy on the soul that harms, or attempts to harm our children
because
WE WON'T !!!
[edit on 22-10-2005 by makeitso]
You don't know the background of the story. You don't know why he carried the heroin. Maybe it was similar to my cousin who got caught smuggling
coc aine to London.
My cousin was living in Holland, and was broke. Life is extremely expensive there. He needed money and his father took long to send money. So there was this guy who was trying to get my cousin borrow money from him, my cousin refused, knowing what this guy was involved in. He borrowed from someone else he trusted, but he didn't know that the money was still from this guy. (This guy was in the background trying all he could to get my cousin to borrow from him, so he got him to borrow by proxy if you know what I mean).
The guy now had the upperhand, and made it known to my cousin that the money was actually his, and now he either wanted it back and threatened to kill my cousin if he didn't do what he says. He ordered him to smuggle coc aine to England. My cousin had no other choice but to do what the guy said. Of course he could've gone to the police, and maybe he did, I don't know. But he was one very scared kid who didn't know what else to do.
He got caught in England, and spent a year in prison there.
Getting involved with the wrong people can cause these things to happen to you, and perhaps this guy is also such a victim. He's now going to get hanged within a week, but maybe they would've found him murdered in Australia if he didn't go smuggling the heroin.
My cousin was living in Holland, and was broke. Life is extremely expensive there. He needed money and his father took long to send money. So there was this guy who was trying to get my cousin borrow money from him, my cousin refused, knowing what this guy was involved in. He borrowed from someone else he trusted, but he didn't know that the money was still from this guy. (This guy was in the background trying all he could to get my cousin to borrow from him, so he got him to borrow by proxy if you know what I mean).
The guy now had the upperhand, and made it known to my cousin that the money was actually his, and now he either wanted it back and threatened to kill my cousin if he didn't do what he says. He ordered him to smuggle coc aine to England. My cousin had no other choice but to do what the guy said. Of course he could've gone to the police, and maybe he did, I don't know. But he was one very scared kid who didn't know what else to do.
He got caught in England, and spent a year in prison there.
Getting involved with the wrong people can cause these things to happen to you, and perhaps this guy is also such a victim. He's now going to get hanged within a week, but maybe they would've found him murdered in Australia if he didn't go smuggling the heroin.
TheBandit795
You don't know the background of the story. You don't know why he carried the heroin.
Really? Are you sure? Read below.
From the article quoted
Van said he carried the drugs to raise $30,000 to pay off legal debts his brother Khoa - also a convicted heroin trafficker - had racked up in defending drug charges in court.
www.news.com.au...
Sometime in the first week of November, a male Chinese known to me as “Tan” contacted me. He asked me whether I was sure I would do something. I told him yes.
I had earlier asked him for help and told him that I needed quick money.
Then he told me to go to Sydney in one week’s time.
He explained to me exactly what I am going to do and asked me if I am going to do it. He told me that I would be carrying a package from Cambodia to Singapore to Melbourne and possibly Sydney. He told me that the package contained “white”.
I understood that as heroin. It could have been coc aine. But I do not know if it is heroin or coc aine. However I was quite certain that it contained drugs. I told “Sun” that I would do it.
www.geocities.com...
It is a sad story, his brother jailed for heroin trafficing. Him trying to help with defense money.
But the bottom line is he made a concious decision to go for the dangerous, quick, easy money. By making the decision to traffic heroin, he put the lifes of many others at risk. Had he not gotten caught, many others would have been exposed to a horific life threatening addiction. Heroin is not aspirin. It kills. Period.
He made the decision. He knew what he was doing. He knowingly took the risk. He put his desires above all others. To heck with what this will do to everyone elses life.
If that line IS crossed, then let it be said.....
God have mercy on the soul that harms, or attempts to harm our children
because WE WON'T !!!
makeitso
I agree with the fact of that he did the crime and should pay, but a death sentince? Also by hanging?
makeitso anyone who uses heroin is responsible for their own problems, why execute people who just give druggies what they choose to take and would
find anyways on their own?
singapore should be ashamed of such barbarism, treating drug offenders like murderers.
singapore should be ashamed of such barbarism, treating drug offenders like murderers.
You carry drugs. You take the risk.
The risk being the death penalty, then you are the idiot and deserves all that is coming.
Sorry, but i cannot abide by any form of recreational drugs.
The people that partake in this kind of thing deserves the outcome. Its the risk they take, but when it all goes ape#, they then plead for forgiveness etc.
Not in my book, sorry............................
[edit on 22-10-2005 by Bikereddie]
The risk being the death penalty, then you are the idiot and deserves all that is coming.
Sorry, but i cannot abide by any form of recreational drugs.
The people that partake in this kind of thing deserves the outcome. Its the risk they take, but when it all goes ape#, they then plead for forgiveness etc.
Not in my book, sorry............................
[edit on 22-10-2005 by Bikereddie]
The guy is an idiot. If I was the australian goverment I would'nt have done dick to help him out. You screwed up you face the music. Hope he
enjoys the short drop & sudden stop.
I think he knew the risks he was taking, but I am against death penalty for any crime.
But I think that drug traffic should get the heavier penalties.
But I think that drug traffic should get the heavier penalties.
I'm sure he was aware of the crime carries a death penality and he chose to play the game anyway.
More than likely his risk/reward factor is flawed and them dice can get rough when you play for big stakes.
Crapped out....snake eyes.
More than likely his risk/reward factor is flawed and them dice can get rough when you play for big stakes.
Crapped out....snake eyes.
That hard drugs can be destructive both to the user and those around the individual cannot be disputed. That this must somehow justify harsh penalties
when other substances and tools are available legally that have the potential to cause similar harm should be questioned. This I think should be
obvious. But I cannot help but feel that someone does not just fall into the situation of smuggling drugs, whatever their reasons. It does take some
form of calculation, and this in turn must lead to the belief that any person that decides to smuggle drugs is aware of the game they are trying to
beat. Which in turn means they must be aware of the board they are playing on. Some boards are rigged, some are nasty and others a cake walk. Choose
your own. If you win, hats off. If you lose, what is it exactly that one should expect? A government to swing in to a foreign country and stop the
game? Take the bat and ball and go home? I don't believe in the death penalty for drug offences under any circumstances, however I have never met a
junky that isn't aware of the risks they are taking and the reasons they are doing it. The laws might be offensive to some, but there are many
processes to find yourself committing the act. Even a junky knows there are no rip cords available. Life's a gamble... choose your casino... but at
the end of the day.. house wins.
this is kind of big in australia(still in news)
A australian diplomat is going to singapore today to have the charges scaled down to life(which isn't much better).
Anyway this isn't the only drug smuggling news in australia.
Bali nine
schapelle corby
Michelle Leslie
Bad drug culture happening here.
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I really feel sorry for him because he was doing it to help his brother.
A australian diplomat is going to singapore today to have the charges scaled down to life(which isn't much better).
Anyway this isn't the only drug smuggling news in australia.
Bali nine
schapelle corby
Michelle Leslie
Bad drug culture happening here.
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I really feel sorry for him because he was doing it to help his brother.
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