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The issue with Turkey and the EU is not resolved .........actually things are just beginning!
society of Europe will still consider Turkey & the mostly eastern culture as 'a little below' them...
1. The most populated country in EU with the exception of Germany, in which 99% are muslims.
2. Very poor (large amount of subsidies)
3. Human rights
4. Border with islamic countries
5. Cyprus (which once were Greek, it was invaded by Turks in 1974)
6. Kurds
Originally posted by xu
anyway the coalition forces started to invade, including Australia, Greece, England etc.
Poor? what does it mean, look back to your own history, the depresssion in america, or the conditions right after the battle in Europe. what does this prove, does it mean that an economcially poor nation can never achieve to advance its economy under succesfull management? I mean look into you pasts, dont let the bright lights of McDonalds blind you, you werent always eating whoopers for lunch you know. plus you cant compare Tr with Argentina economically, its much much better than that but it has much more to achieve yet.
it really improved. and will improve more. I dont see anyone executing imigrants in metro stations also. so its cool here. the keyword for human rights is education. and education is something proportional with economy. so everything is on the right track.
you are afraid that if EU had borders with islamic countries, you would get into trouble right? well think again, it will improve relations rather than create any trouble, and it will help the world to overcome its islamophobia. I cant talk for US though. besides TR was there when NATO needed I dont see any aspect here that the Europen Nations would complain about.
OK you know that Cyprus was invaded but do you know why? I bet you dont. The cyprus was inside Ottomans borders before it gave it up,
what about them? there are not only Kurds but all kind of nationalities mixed together here. Why is there a special interest in Kurds. and all the countrymen of TR is called Turks as all the American citizens are called Americans regardless of ethnicity.
OK you know that Cyprus was invaded but do you know why? I bet you dont. The cyprus was inside Ottomans borders before it gave it up,
The U.S. ambassador James Gerald had written .....The principles of Justice are more important than oil or the railroads........ and that .....the Turks should not be accepted into the society of decent nations until they show sincere repentance for their crimes. Fraternizing with them on any other terms creates the suspicion of sordidness and complicity....
Originally posted by helen670
The U.S. ambassador James Gerald had written .....The principles of Justice are more important than oil or the railroads........ and that .....the Turks should not be accepted into the society of decent nations until they show sincere repentance for their crimes. Fraternizing with them on any other terms creates the suspicion of sordidness and complicity....
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helen
[edit on 10/5/2005 by helen670]
1. The most populated country in EU with the exception of Germany, in which 99% are muslims.
yes that will be a problem because you see, when the TR is a full member because of its population it will have proportional seats in EU which will be a power in desicion making process.
2. Very poor (large amount of subsidies)
Poor? what does it mean, look back to your own history, the depresssion in america, or the conditions right after the battle in Europe. what does this prove, does it mean that an economcially poor nation can never achieve to advance its economy under succesfull management? I mean look into you pasts, dont let the bright lights of McDonalds blind you, you werent always eating whoopers for lunch you know. plus you cant compare Tr with Argentina economically, its much much better than that but it has much more to achieve yet.
3. Human rights
it really improved. and will improve more. I dont see anyone executing imigrants in metro stations also. so its cool here. the keyword for human rights is education. and education is something proportional with economy. so everything is on the right track.
4. Border with islamic countries
you are afraid that if EU had borders with islamic countries, you would get into trouble right? well think again, it will improve relations rather than create any trouble, and it will help the world to overcome its islamophobia. I cant talk for US though. besides TR was there when NATO needed I dont see any aspect here that the Europen Nations would complain about.
5. Cyprus (which once were Greek, it was invaded by Turks in 1974)
OK you know that Cyprus was invaded but do you know why? I bet you dont. The cyprus was inside Ottomans borders before it gave it up.
6. Kurds
what about them? there are not only Kurds but all kind of nationalities mixed together here. Why is there a special interest in Kurds. and all the countrymen of TR is called Turks as all the American citizens are called Americans regardless of ethnicity.
crustas 1. The most populated country in EU with the exception of Germany, in which 99% are muslims.
crustas If you think that having a lot of seats means power, you're wrong Germany rules, not because of the seats they have but because the money they give to EU. I don't see a wealthy Turkey in near future.
BBC International Monetary Fund predicting an annual rate of 5% for 2005 and 2006.
BBC"Initially, Turkey will be a net recipient (of EU aid)," he told the BBC. "But I think probably from 2018, 2020 onwards, Turkey will actually be a net contributor to the EU budget, on the basis of the fact that Turkey is currently growing three to four times the EU trend growth."
crustas 2. Very poor (large amount of subsidies)
crustas "Your own history", man, you are assuming to much on me...
America? Who's talking about America? (North or South?)
You didn't understant the meaning of "large amount of subsidies", well it means that a vast amount of EU Euros will go mainly to subsidiate Turkey's agriculture. Now imagine this, to achieve balanced growth, Turkey needs to improve the training of farmers, make better seed available, upgrade livestock herds, standardize products, expand food-processing facilities (including cold storage and refrigerated transport), and reorganize marketing networks. This could takes decades!!! Can EU give so much money for so much time?
crustas 3. Human rights
crustas I don't know what your sources are but let me tell you this, threat by turkish officials are normal against organizations defending human rights. Just google it for a while and you will see what i mean.
crustas 5. Cyprus (which once were Greek, it was invaded by Turks in 1974)
crustas By that point of view today's world, a few centuries ago belonged to Portugal and Spain. Should they reclaim it back?
while you get rid of the rest of the sentence, where it is obvious that I say it was in the borders of ottomans to make my point about why there were turks left living there to begin with.
crustas 4. Border with islamic countries
crustas I don't think that Turkey could control their borders, because corruption and poverty is everywhere. Therefore the danger would have a direct entrace to EU.
crustas 6. Kurds
crustas The Kurds represent 20% of Turkey population and they still get repressed and torture after all this years?
crustas Turkey has really a long way to go. Maybe one day, they will get there.