To Masonic Light and All Freemasons

www.freedomdomain.com...

i decided to discuss this site apart . I didn't read it all yet, but how do you respond to it?

thanks

Thats a rather large website, with lots of links to other information, don't you think ti would be more sensible to present the best case laid our there and discuss it, rather than ask people to debunk it in whole??

Originally posted by Wind
I didn't read it all yet, but how do you respond to it?

I visited the web site, but I haven't bothered to read much of it either. However I do have one observation, the web site in question appears to have been prepared by the same guy that prepared freemasonry watch. I get this idea due to the fact that the home page has everything center justified, just like freemasonry watch. Despite not believing any of the editorial content contained on freemasonry watch for a small fee Id be glad to teach this guy html so that he can better format his content.
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Originally posted by Wind
www.freedomdomain.com...

i decided to discuss this site apart . I didn't read it all yet, but how do you respond to it?

thanks

Having scanned the page, it doesn't look like anything new. I'm pretty sure I've seen most of that junk debunked
more than a couple times on ATS. As for the email about freemasonrywatch, it's not between the
site owner and a mason, it's between the owner and the hosting company.
Additionally, there is no way to show the the email in question is anything more than a fabrication.
In short, I really didn't see anything worth discussing; except of course the cruddy layout.

EDIT: Fixed spelling errors.

[edit on 29-9-2005 by AngelWitch]

"(4) Drugs and Gangs : Crime all over the Streets and General Corruption in Society
Let's see, who can we blame this on? Ever heard of the British East India
Company. It is only the LARGEST Legalized Drug Trafficking and Slave
Trading Corporation in the World. The CIA are immune from prosecution
because of authorization from a higher level. The Intelligence agencies are all
structured on Freemasonry and British Intelligence runs the international show.
British intelligence works for the Freemasons to make sure nobody competes
with their "authorized" drug empire. Banks were only set up by the Freemasons
to deposit and launder their drug-money from their international operations.
Britain conquered China with a flood of Opium into China after Free-Trade
was forced on China by economic oppression by Great Britain. There are drugs
on the streets of America today and Guns in the hands of criminals because
THAT'S THE WAY THE FREEMASONS WANT IT!! Remember the motto:
"ORDO AB CHAO" or "Order out of Chaos". Who do you
think manufactures the Guns? Who manufactures the Drugs? Who gets away
with it?

There is evidence that Hitler was being fed anti-semitic information by the Freemasons and that Hitler retaliated to the infiltration of his intelligence agencies
by forming the SS to weed out the Masons from his "Inner Circle". Hitler even
went so far as to persecute and chase down Freemasons throughout Europe. This
might sound a little strange after I just pointed out that the Freemasons financed
Hitler, but there is evidence to suggest Hitler was becoming aware of this
manipulation and became a threat to the Masonic power structure, which then
decided to have him removed from power. This is the same tactic the Masons
used on Napolean Bonaparte. Masons were raided by Nazis in Europe during
WWII. There is even evidence to suggest that the Nuremburg trials were not
formed to persecute the Nazis that killed the Jews, but to get even with the Nazis
who persecuted Freemasons, and the Jewish issue was just another manipulation
by the Freemasons."

answer these from the site please

There is evidence that Hitler was being fed anti-semitic information by the Freemasons and that Hitler retaliated to the infiltration of his intelligence agencies by forming the SS to weed out the Masons from his "Inner Circle".

Any sign of this evidence?

There's an awful lot of "there is evidence that....", yet nothing which actually qualifies as evidence.

Sorry, it's just another hyperbiased anti-Mason site.

Sounds just like allegation without foundation. There's nothing really to discuss until something more substantive appears.

There does appear to be large chunks of nonsense in it though. Read about the British East India Company here and see how it stacks up to the allegation.

Trolling.


Put down the lighter and step away from the pipe, and nobody will get hurt!

LOL !!!

In casting about for other possible commodities, the British soon discovered opium, and would use its narcotic effects for economic gains. Between 1821 and 1837 imports of the drug to China increased five-fold. The drug was taken from India and shipped by British traders to China. The Qing government attempted to end this trade, on public health grounds --numerous opium addicts were appearing in trading ports throughout China.

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The Treaty of Nanjing committed the Qing government to nominal tariffs on British goods as well as granting the right of extraterritoriality. Hong Kong island was ceded to the UK, and the Treaty Ports of Guangzhou, Xiamen (Amoy), Fuzhou (Foochow), Shanghai, and Ningbo were opened to all traders. The Qing government was also forced to pay reparations for the British opium.


en.wikipedia.org...

The Wikipedia article and subsequent links to the Opium Wars therein would appear to stack up to the allegations to me. What part is nonsense?



[edit on 29-9-2005 by Loungerist]

Originally posted by Loungerist
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The Wikipedia article and subsequent links to the Opium Wars therein would appear to stack up to the allegations to me. What part is nonsense?

Maybe I'm missing the part about the Masonic link?

Could you point that out?

Originally posted by Loungerist

*snippity-do-da*

The Wikipedia article and subsequent links to the Opium Wars therein would appear to stack up to the allegations to me. What part is nonsense?
[edit on 29-9-2005 by Loungerist]

Enlighten me please....I see nowhere in the provided quote or the subsequent link any mention of Freemasonry.

Wind in his questions mentioned "because that's how Freemasonry wants it".

Now you're saying that the allegations would appear to be stacking up? How? The article makes no mention or allegations of Freemasons.

Did anyone see this?

Jacques de Moley was tried and burned at the stake for being a heretic. This was a secret move by the
Priory of Sion to get even for betraying them in the trust of their Gold.

The Priory of Sion which doesn't exist had Jacho killed on a miserable Friday the 13th.

I personally find the entire article believable, crucify me if you want but it just has a ring of truth to it. All except the Priory of Sion thing that is.

I have read the article before, its been a long time but it sounds like the Freemasons are basicly the British Mafia, correct me if I am wrong.

Originally posted by Loungerist
The Wikipedia article and subsequent links to the Opium Wars therein would appear to stack up to the allegations to me. What part is nonsense?

The above question directed to Trinityman.

Great link, Wind! More support for Masonic history - I sure hope the Masons liked it as much as I do.

As I have noticed many times before, the Masons (and the fake non-blue lodge Masons, or whatever they are) will be updating their websites soon. One day soon, their servers will only have enough space to support their growing Anti-Mason debunk attempts.

[edit on 30-9-2005 by realrepublican]

Originally posted by realrepublican
One day soon, their servers will only have enough space to support their growing Anti-Mason debunk attempts.

Im most amused at the irony of a real republican making such a remark. My concern is that our Masonic web servers will lack sufficent storage because the republicans are using it all to spread propoganda supporting the lizard in the white house.

Originally posted by realrepublican

As I have noticed many times before, the Masons (and the fake non-blue lodge Masons, or whatever they are) will be updating their websites soon. One day soon, their servers will only have enough space to support their growing Anti-Mason debunk attempts.

"It's funny 'cuz it's true."

Originally posted by Loungerist
The Wikipedia article and subsequent links to the Opium Wars therein would appear to stack up to the allegations to me. What part is nonsense?

How about this for starters (my bold)

The British East India Company, sometimes referred to as "John Company", was a joint-stock company of investors, which was granted a Royal Charter by Elizabeth I on December 31, 1600, with the intent to favour trade privileges in India. The Royal Charter effectively gave the newly created Honourable East India Company a monopoly on all trade in the East Indies. The Company transformed from a commercial trading venture to one which virtually ruled India as it acquired auxiliary governmental and military functions, until the Company's dissolution in 1858.

Quite apart from the complete lack of masonic connection, I think it is entirely misleading to imply that a company that folded almost 150 years ago is still current and active today. That's what I was referring to.

Originally posted by Trinityman

Quite apart from the complete lack of masonic connection,

The British East India Company was connected rather thoroughly to Masonry so far as I've usually read.

Grand Lodges(of Masonry) in England, Europe and America warranted Blue Lodges in distant regions in several ways. One of the most common was for Masonic brethren who emigrated to a colonial port city to send a petition asking for permission to constitute a lodge or sometimes even a øprovincial Grand LodgeÓ to supervise activities in a wider area. In response to a petition from a number of brethren in Calcutta in 1728, the Grand Lodge of England appointed a Provincial Grand Master to govern Masonic activity in India. Lodge No. 72, the first to be warranted on the sub-continent, met that year at Fort William. Officials of the British East India Company were prominent among the members and they even adopted the companys coat of arm as their own...

www.historycooperative.org...

I think it is entirely misleading to imply that a company that folded almost 150 years ago is still current and active today. That's what I was referring to.

The author may be speaking of the legacy of the BEIC as opposed to a current activity. He cites what the BEIC has done in the past and is giving the report on recent CIA trafficking investigation which stemmed from the BEIC. Though he does appear to have misused the word "is" so I'm not sure.

[edit on 30-9-2005 by Loungerist]

I think that ordinary freemasons are not bad and evil, but those who control the governments, NASA, and other important organizations, they definitely are involved in conspiracies and evil-doing.

Originally posted by Loungerist
Grand Lodges(of Masonry) in England, Europe and America warranted Blue Lodges in distant regions in several ways. One of the most common was for Masonic brethren who emigrated to a colonial port city to send a petition asking for permission to constitute a lodge or sometimes even a øprovincial Grand LodgeÓ to supervise activities in a wider area. In response to a petition from a number of brethren in Calcutta in 1728, the Grand Lodge of England appointed a Provincial Grand Master to govern Masonic activity in India. Lodge No. 72, the first to be warranted on the sub-continent, met that year at Fort William. Officials of the British East India Company were prominent among the members and they even adopted the companys coat of arm as their own...

www.historycooperative.org...

Well, I stand corrected; although that information wasn't available in the original article.

Given that these members of the BEIC were in no way trying to hide their membership, and this all happened over 250 years ago, I'm not sure of the relevance to modern intelligence organisations.

Please bear in mind that fraternities were very popular in the early 18th Century. That members of a company all posted out to a foreign country would wish to socialise together should not be too much of a surprise.

Please also bear in mind that slave trading was only made illegal in Great Britain in 1807 and Lodge No. 72 was erased in 1756 having operated for 26 years.

Whilst it is possible, but unproven, that freemasons could have been involved iin the illegal opium trade in the first half of the 18th Century; they would not have been doing this in any official masonic capacity, but rather as employees.

My overall response therefore is... so what? I'd like to see the link established between the BEIC and modern day intelligence organisations, and also some substance behind the following allegations:

1. The Intelligence agencies are all structured on Freemasonry
2. British Intelligence runs the international show
3. British intelligence works for the Freemasons
4. Banks were only set up by the Freemasons to deposit and launder their drug-money from their international operations.