Introduction…
Here I try to prove the following points…
1. “Gulf War 1 Killed 250,000 Iraqis.”
My point behind this is that if Gulf War 1 has killed that many; then surely our current one will have killed many more.
2. “That Saddam killed 250,000 people through oppression.”
Here I show some very contradictory search engine results which take this figure from 250,000 to five hundred thousand, and to one million. So
there’s not a lot of consensus; although I do suppose our pro-government mainstream media will be using the higher estimates for some reason.
3. “The Kurds where accepting bribes from the Iranians to steer up trouble in Iraq”.
I demonstrate this historical fact to explain why they were treated with so much hostility. Personally I do not believe Saddam gassed the Kurds
instead I think it was an Iranian accident or act, as they had cyanide based gases, and the Iraqis where based on mustard gas (it was the cyanide gas
that was used).
4. “Saddam tried to negotiate with the Kurds.” (see previous results).
5 .Kuwait had been part of Iraq for about 5000.
Again no consensus but it certainly was part of Iraq till quite recently (less than 100 years ago).
6. It was only the Uqair Protocol of 1922 that defined Kuwait’s borders between Iraq, and between Kuwait and Nejd.
7. Kuwait had been slant drilling into Iraq’s oilfields and this was one of the major reasons for Saddam trying to reunite Kuwait with Iraq thereby
causing the 1991 Gulf War.
Also it is worth noting that this slant drilling happened at a time when Iraq had to pay of huge national debts for the Iran Iraq war (it killed a
total exceeding one million people) and was a war in which America sold weapons to both sides. But that’s another story.
Why I Did This
Partly to respond to an earlier post
www.abovetopsecret.com... in which I felt a bit ridiculed. But my main reason for
going to all this effort is to show you how unworthy you are of judging the actions of Saddam or his government if all you receive is edited
information from our western media. Because that’s what I used to do when I used to support the war in Iraq.
I understand the mainstream media to be a bad source. Partly because too few people own its many branches, because through they “can’t” make up
the truth there is no law against media owners and politicians doing deals with each other. For that matter there isn’t even a law against bias, and
if there was it would be a very hard charge to prove. Though other sources of information exist its worth remembering that most people are too
preoccupied with daily life to do there own research, and that in a democracy (especially “post pass the post”) its most people that rule.
So that's why I did it. I just hope most of you will enjoy learning something new as much as I do.
Point 1: Gulf War 1 Killed 250,000 Iraqis
1. “Investors should recall the 1991 Gulf War, which killed 250,000 Iraqis. A U.S. recession also followed. Then and now, America’s foreign
interest is more than a military matter.”
Source:
www.commondreams.org...
(near end of page).
2. “In a 13-year period (from 1991 to 2004) the US killed 250,000 Iraqis in the Persian Gulf war of 1991, plus another 1.5 million Iraqis via
sanctions plus another 100,000 from 2003-2004. That comes to 1.85 million Iraqis.”
colorado.indymedia.org...
(half way through).
3. “While Kerry initially voted against the resolution for the first Gulf War, he quickly reversed himself, saying he had been “ill-advised.” He
then voted to fully fund the war that killed 250,000 Iraqis.”
www.geocities.com...
(About half a page away from the begging).
4. “America can win the 'hearts and minds' of the Iraqis. Not really. They've killed 250,000 of them in two wars and mutilated and wounded
400,000 more. These 650,000 people have 8 million close relatives and 10 million concerned neighbours. They also traumatised 8 million children.”
homepages.ihug.com.au...
(About half way through)
5. “Like the original, Gulf War 2 will involve the bombing and invasion of Iraq by a coalition of nations led by America. Gulf War1 killed 250,000
Iraqis, and the new model offers George jnr the chance to score even more points.”
www.scoop.co.nz...
2nd Paragraph in an Open Letter To Helen Clark
Point 2
Saddam Killed 250,000-350,000 Iraqis according to Pentagon website.
Well have to say I can’t find the website; and I have found some really contradictory information both for against my point as illustrated below.
1. “They acknowledge that, yes, thousands have died, but the deaths caused by this invasion are only a fraction of those killed by Saddam. After
all, Saddam killed, what, was it, millions of Iraqis? According to Human Rights Watch, Saddam killed about 250,000 of his own people, but let's not
quibble over numbers.”
webdiary.smh.com.au...
(about 3 pages from the very end).
2. Tehran Times Editorial, April 10
"[Kurds and Shia Muslims] still remember the failed Shia and Kurdish uprising of 1991. The US had initially expressed support for the uprising, but
then US troops inexplicably stood by and watched as Iraqi forces loyal to President Saddam killed approximately 250,000 Shia and 250,000 Kurds.
www.guardian.co.uk...
Guardian unlimited just over (half way through page).
3. “But if we exclude deaths of soldiers, it is often alleged that Saddam killed 300,000 civilians. This allegation seems increasingly suspect. So
far only 5000 or so persons have been found in mass graves. But if Roberts and Burnham are right, the US has already killed a third as many Iraqi
civilians in 18 months as Saddam killed in 24 years.”
Source…
blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com...
(About 2 pages in).
4. Against My “Claim”
“Saddam Hussein's government may have executed 61,000 Baghdad residents”
“The survey, which the polling firm planned to release on Tuesday, asked 1,178 Baghdad residents in August and September whether a member of their
household had been executed by Saddam's regime. According to Gallup, 6.6 percent said yes.”
In Favour
“Richard Burkholder, who headed Gallup's Baghdad team, said the numbers in Baghdad could be high for two reasons: People may have understood
"household" to be broader than just the people living at their address; and some families may have moved to the capital from other areas since the
executions occurred.
"Anecdotal accounts start to support it, but they don't get you to 60,000," he said in a telephone interview from Princeton, N.J.
Even reducing the numbers slightly because of those possibilities, however, Burkholder said the number of executions the data suggest is higher than
previously estimated, in the low tens of thousands.”
www.chinadaily.com.cn...
Both “for and against” quotes are from the SAME Source…
Summary: Unlike my 250,000 figure for the first Gulf War it appears Saddam may have killed both less than and more than 250,000 people at once. Just
like he both had and did not have WMD’S. Personally I would expect the pro government media, and the occupation that supplies them with information
to keep these death tolls at the highest end. So I made a point with foundation, but equally without concrete foundation by any means.
Point 3
The Kurds where accepting bribes from the Iranians to steer up trouble in Iraq.
1. “Eventually the Kurds were offered independence in Iraq, however, the Kurds were unhappy with it and went to war. Iran supported the Kurds until
the leader of Iran signed the Agreement Of Algiers with the Iraqi government. After that, Iran left the Kurd's side. Without Iranian support, the
Kurd's rebellion disintegrated.”
www.sfuhs.org...
(End of third paragraph)
2. “After nearly ten years of hostilities, the Iraqi government agreed to Kurdish autonomy in northern Iraq in 1970. However, in 1974 the agreement
collapsed and a fierce war followed, in which Iran supported the Kurds. In 1975, Iran signed an agreement of co-operation with Iraq and withdrew its
support for the Kurds in exchange for territorial concessions in the Persian Gulf. Kurdish resistance collapsed.”
www.refugeecouncil.org.uk...
“During the Iran-Iraq war (1980-1988), Iran again backed Kurdish guerrillas, known as peshmergas. From the mid-1980s, the Iraqi government began to
clear parts of the Kurdish autonomous area of the predominantly Kurdish population.”
So basically your enemy (Iran) is bribing an armed ethnic group within your own country to steer up trouble. Can you see why “poor little Kurdies”
got treated by bad man Saddam so much?
Note: The clearing policy did only start when the Iran Iraq war had already been going on for some time. Might not justify it in itself, but its still
a truth worth remembering for the sake of justice.
• “3. A major ally of the United States in the Middle East, the Shah of Iran, supported the Kurds in their rebellion. The Shah feared the
growing influence and power of Iraq, so he aimed at weakening Iraq from within.
• In 1975 Iraq signed an agreement with Iran known as the Algiers Agreement, in which Iraq accepted the Iranian demands regarding supremacy over the
Persian Gulf. In return the Shah stopped his support to the Kurds.”
www.geocities.com...
(This quote is exactly in the middle of this webpage. May I suggest that this is a most excellent brief history of Iraq; for anyone who is interested
in understanding the place, or the degree to which the Western media leaves stuff out).
A Side Note: It looks like the U.S had supported the Kurds too.
3. “Iran supported the Kurds in northern Iraq with weapons to fight against Al Bakr. Then a civil war started (1974). After Iraq agreed to make
major concessions to Iran in 1975, Iran was in control of the Shat-Al-Arab estuary. Another concession was that the border disputes with Iran were
settled. As a consequence the USA halted aid to the Kurds. But the USA continued the armament of Iran. This was done, on the one hand, to decrease
the influence of the Soviets and, on the other hand, to weaken Iraq.”
www.sg.aa.bw.schule.de...
(4th paragraph)
4. “Iran supported the Kurds in Iraq during the war, it armed them and used them against Saddam. After the war Iraq and Iran marched jointly against
the Kurdish people. The reward for the "support" by Iran has been Halpaca. In Halpaca and
other places in Northern Iraq, thousands of Kurds were slaughtered.”
archives.econ.utah.edu...
(This is a bad source in my opinion but there for variety, it makes the quoted statement about a page and a half away from the very end).
From Google search: “Iran supported the Kurds”
Summary…
So not only has Iran supported the Kurds, bribed them and armed them as a tool against Iraq, but they have also done so on more than one occasion
(about 3: before 1970, 1974, 1980-1988 Iran Iraq war).
Point 4: Saddam tried to negotiate with the Kurds.
This is mentioned in quotes 1 and 2 under point 3. Although Saddam was not president he was very much in Iraqi politics at the time, and had been
involved in the issue. Basically it failed because the Iranians merely increased the Kurdish bribes. This lead to Saddam negotiating with Iran and
handing over a large section of the river “Tiaras” (not sure about that being the right name), before demanding it back because the Iranians had
not stopped supporting the Kurds. Ironically this was apparently because of Saddam being pro American at the time.
Point 5
Kuwait had been part of Iraq for over 5200 years up and till 1921.
1. a. Maybe we could acknowledge that Kuwait had been an integral part of Iraq for 3,000 years before some British cartographer carved it out for
geopolitical reasons in the 1890s.
We might recognise some of the debt-related problems between Iraq and Kuwait after the Iran-Iraq War. We could try to understand the charges of
slantdrilling of Iraqi oil by Kuwait in the border area.
www.transnational.org...
(2nd and 3rd paragraph)
2. Kuwait had been part of the Ottoman Empire for 350 years. The Turks administered it as part of the province (vilayet) of Basra, which in turn was
one of three vilayets into which Mesopotamia was divided, the others being Baghdad and Mosul. Whenever Turkish control was lax, local power filled the
vacuum. But always the legitimate government was that of the Sultan in Istanbul, who was also to be respected as titular head of Islam.
members.aol.com...
3. Yes, Iraq invaded Kuwait. Well, this had something to do with oil. Apparently, Iraq seems to think that before the Europeans embarked on their game
of world conquest - Kuwait used to be a part of Iraq for, like, 4,000 years.
www.iowastatedaily.com...
(2nd paragraph)
4. Saddam sold oil futures contracts before and after Desert Storm/Kuwait back in 1991 and angered the Western Oil trusts. He sought American
permission to go into Kuwait, which was a part of Iraq for thousands of years - until the British Empire took it away. In fact, Churchill and Lawrence
of Arabia debated using poison gas in Mesopotamia in the 1920's. Remember, Saddam is an ex-CIA asset, assassinating communists inside Iraq in the
1960's and then fighting vs. Iran. Saddam wanted the CIA to allow Iraq to take out the radical Islamic sect in Saudi Arabia.
www.sierratimes.com...
(This is about a page in)
5. Kuwait was part of Iraq for 4000 years so dont give me that stuff about Sadam trying to take Kuwait. How can you take something that was already
yours. Sadam went into Kuwait because Kuwait was historically a part of Iraq. ENGLAND used Kuwait as a desert mail route from 1775-1889 .During that
time the place was barren meaning not that many people lived there.England provided their own security during this time. England supposably gave
Kuwait their independence back in 1961 during those years Kuwait was still Iraq. So for you to say Sadam tried to take Kuwait makes you sound real
uneducated. Why dont you pick up a book before you type a word.
photomatt.net...
(This is from a forum so is a relatively bad source. It’s about 10 pages in but shows I'm not alone).
6. American reasons for turmoil in Iraq are endless; yesterday it was Iran's Shiites, then it was the Iraqi waterfront (known as Kuwait, a part of
Iraq for 5,000 years), then it was non existent WMDs, then it was democracy (American style), now it's "terror" (whose terror is that? Have Iraqis
been driving around the streets of America, shooting US citizens?).
www.patriceayme.com...
(End of 4th paragraph)
From Google search: “Kuwait part-of-iraq-for-5000”
Summary
You might ask why the discrepancy over how long Kuwait was part of Iraq?
Well all it depends on you perspective of history, but regarding the territory of Iraq this is true. Quote 2 is quite good for explaining Iraq’s
more ancient past.
Point 6
It was only the Uqair Protocol of 1922 that defined Kuwait’s borders between Iraq, and between Kuwait and Nejd.
1. The Uqair Protocol was issued on December 2, 1922, in response to the Wahhabi Bedouin raiders, operating from Nejd, under Abdul Aziz ibn Abdul
Rahman ibn Saud. The British High Commissioner to Baghdad, Sir Percy Cox, met with ibn Saud and the British Political Agent to Kuwait, Major John
More, at Uqair where he imposed the Uqair Protocol which defined the boundaries between Iraq and Nejd; and between Kuwait and Nejd.
www.infomutt.com...
2. The Uqair Protocol was issued on December 2, 1922, in response to the Wahhabi Bedouin raiders, operating from Nejd, under Abdul Aziz ibn Abdul
Rahman ibn Saud. The British High Commissioner to Baghdad, Sir Percy Cox, met with ibn Saud and the British Political Agent to Kuwait, Major John
More, at Uqair where he imposed the Uqair Protocol which defined the boundaries between Iraq and Nejd; and between Kuwait and Nejd.
www.textsheet.com...
3. In response to the various Bedouin raids, the British High Commissioner in Baghdad , Sir Percy Cox , imposted the Uqair Protocol of 1922 which
defined the boundaries betweenIraq and Nejd; and between Kuwait and Nejd.
On April 1 , 1923 , Shaikh Ahmad al-Sabah wrote the BritishPolitical Agent in Kuwait, Major JohnMore , "I still do not know what the border between
Iraq and Kuwait is, I shall be glad if you will kindly give me thisinformation." More, upon learning that al-Sabah claimed the outer green line of
the Anglo-Ottoman Convention ( April 4 ), would relay the information to Sir Cox.
On April 19 , Six Cox stated that the British government recognized the outerline of the Convention as the border between Iraq and Kuwait. This
decision limited Iraq's access to the Persian Gulf at 58km of mostly marshy and swampy coastline. As this would make it difficult for Iraq to become
a naval power (the territory did not include any deepwater harbours ), the Iraqi King Faisal I did not agree to the plan, however, as his country was
under British rule, he had little say inthe matter. Iraq and Kuwait would formally ratify the border in August. The border was re-recognized in 1927
.
therfcc.org... (about a page and half in)
Point 7…
Kuwait had been slant drilling into Iraq’s oilfields and this was one of the major reasons for Saddam trying to reunite Kuwait with Iraq thereby
causing the 1991 Gulf War.
1. BAGDAD (AFP) - Iraq accused Kuwait of stealing its oil for the third day running Sunday, with one report saying it involved 300,000 barrels of
crude a day taken from oil fields in the border area.
"The theft of Iraqi oil by Kuwait is not new," Saad Qassem Hammudi, a senior member of the ruling Baath Party told AFP.
www.rense.com...
2. Conflict in the Middle East triggered yet another international crisis on August 2, 1990, when Iraq invaded and attempted to annex neighboring
Kuwait as its nineteenth province. Leading up to the invasion, Iraq complained to the United States Department of State about Kuwaiti slant drilling.
This had continued for years, but now Iraq needed oil revenues to pay off its debts and avert an economic crisis. Saddam ordered troops to the
Iraq-Kuwait border, creating alarm over the prospect of an invasion. April Glaspie, the United States ambassador to Iraq, met with Saddam in an
emergency meeting, where the Iraqi president stated his intention to continue talks. Iraq and Kuwait then met for a final negotiation session, which
failed. Saddam then sent his troops into Kuwait.
en.wikipedia.org...(1988-present)
(about a page in, second paragraph under the sub section entitled “The Persian Gulf War”)
3. The Gulf War of early 1991 didn't change much. Our old buddy, the despotic Emir of Kuwait, is back on his throne. Our former buddy, Saddam
Hussein, while knocked down a peg or two, is still in power and as brutal as ever. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis are dead, hundreds of US veterans
are suffering from a mysterious disease, and the Persian Gulf has been ravaged by the largest oil spill in history. The question naturally arises,
could any of this have been avoided?
The whole dispute started because Kuwait was slant-drilling. Using equipment bought from National Security Council chief Brent Scowcroft's old
company, Kuwait was pumping out some $14-billion worth of oil from underneath Iraqi territory. Even the territory they were drilling from had
originally been Iraq's. Slant-drilling is enough to get you shot in Texas, and it's certainly enough to start a war in the Mideast.
www.thirdworldtraveler.com...
(This is probably the least good source, but is still factually correct).
Finally: A Little Bit about Kuwait…
“Kuwait's modern history begins with the 1710 founding of Quarain (Little Fort) by various clans of the Anaiza, who had wandered north from Nejd
and Qatar, fleeing a drought. They settled in the Iraqi territory of the Ottoman Empire, along the northern shores of the Persian Gulf, where they
engaged in pearling and sea-trading.”
Source:
www.worldhistory.com...
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