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originally posted by junglejake
On this planet it would, although it would be extremely stark and horrible. Christ won the battle against Satan's corruption of the planet when He died on the cross. In doing so, he guaranteed us eternal life if we but reach out and take it.
We must remember that the Bible has been translated countless of times. The word hate could've been inserted for lack of a better word that described the true phrase. You will find what you look for. If you only look for the surface, that is what you will find.
Once again I'm not Christian. It also doesn't make sense to stereotype every single follower of a religion because of what someone (who doesn't even belong to the religion) does
Originally posted by shihulud
So what better word would that be?, I mean hate is a pretty strong emotional word.
Have you read many of the posts here? most follow that stereotype. You might not be christian but you are religious so therefore have a religious bias.
Originally posted by shihulud
Well I suppose if taken with all the assumptions as being true then Jesus believed that it was Gods will for him to die then no Jesus did not commit suicide?. But then that is assuming what is said is true.
If you accept that Jesus was crucified, which comes from a Bible story, then logically you should accept what it says he says...
Originally posted by shihulud
But I dont accept the crucifixion, there isn't even any proof of Jesus existing never mind dying. As I said 'assuming what was written to be true'. I mean even Christians can't decide what the truth is or why isn't there just one christian faith?
Originally posted by shihulud
My whole argument is based on what it says in the bible whether or not I believe what is said is immaterial. The bible is the only "evidence" to go on, nothing else says that jesus was crucified.
Christians base their belief system on the same book, I just have a hard time believing what was written, am I not entitled to question Faith and Religion to get a better understanding especially since its not that clear cut.
As I've said already why are there loads of christian religions and other religions for that matter, You can't all be right!!!!!
Originally posted by AkashicWanderer
You are saying that Jesus was a sinner, and you are using the Bible as your proof. Since you are saying that we can objectively say that the bible is not 100% truth, than I can counter your argument by saying...
Jesus was not a sinner because what the Bible says he did, is not true...
Originally posted by Jehosephat
It is interesting that you use the bible and twist the words when they are taken out of context to suit your own opinion. the whole chapter could be summed up as in order to be a disiple you must put GOd first. If you put God first over your parents, some might think if they did understand that you dislike or even Hate your parents.
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." (Luke 19:27)
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household." (Matthew 10:34-37)
"Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law." (Luke 12:51-53)
"I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?" (Luke 12:49)
"And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes." (Luke 12:47)
This one here actually condones slavery and the beating of slaves
"And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, 'Take these things hence; make not my Father's house a house of merchandise.'" (John 2:14-16)
Originally posted by shihulud
Thats entirely my point but how many christians are objective about the bible? I can make a comment on the bible that most christians disagree with i.e "Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene". the christian response is "No way, never ever" but although the bible doesn't say that they ARE married, it doesn't say that they're NOT. How one of us can say for certain that we are right is stupid and illogical.
The word 'hate' in this verse comes from the ancient Greek word 'miseo' which means hate (from the primary 'misos' [hatred]). If any substitute word could be used it would be like 'detest,' 'loath,' or 'despise.' Moreover, virtually all Bibles translate the term as hate. To deny this intent means to deny the Bible and the alleged word of Jesus.
Here are a few quotes just to show how nice Jesus is
Originally posted by shihulud
The point is not whether I believe in the bible (which in a strange way I do but not the religious side to it). The point is that I'm showing people who do believe that what they believe about Jesus and the like might not be the image of Jesus that they base the said belief on.
1) I've shown that it might be a possibility and
2) There is no proof, there is no-one alive today that was at the crucifixion to say for sure that Jesus wasn't thinking to himself ' I cant be bothered with all this healing and telling folk about gods kingdom. Thank christ(no pun intended) I'm being crucified on Friday'
I'm an objective person and only deal with the information available, but then again your religion is restrictive and prohibitive so therefore cant deal with religious information objectively.
Originally posted by shihulud
The point is that I'm showing people who do believe that what they believe about Jesus and the like might not be the image of Jesus that they base the said belief on.
Also how can you still state that Jesus did NOT commit suicide when
1) I've shown that it might be a possibility and
2) There is no proof, there is no-one alive today that was at the crucifixion to say for sure that Jesus wasn't thinking to himself ' I cant be bothered with all this healing and telling folk about gods kingdom. Thank christ(no pun intended) I'm being crucified on Friday'
I'm an objective person and only deal with the information available, but then again your religion is restrictive and prohibitive so therefore cant deal with religious information objectively.
Originally posted by AkashicWanderer
Nothing is objective, everything is subjective. We cannot know if the sun exists, if gravity is a force, or anything else for that matter.
Actually the sun does exist?
Don't think so, just observe it by using scientific methods and one will see that it does. And if you continue to think otherwise, an extreme case would be to launch yourself in a rocket in the general vicinity of the sun, wait for the sun's gravitational field to grab your rocket, and watch as your rocket and you start to melt as you descend into it.
Gravity is a force and is also easily within proof.
Many things are objective, rather than being "subjective", contrary to what you have asserted.
Opinion is subjective.
Your existence is objective.