Company that hired Visor Consultants ON 7/7 FOUND!

Remember that company that hired Visor Consultants to help participate in exercises involving bombs going off at the same time and place as the ones on 7/7? Found 'em.
All this from a great article entitled "Righting the damage" from New Civil Engineer
www.nceplus.co.uk...
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"Tubelines and Metronet are the Underground’s maintenance and upgrade contractors, but unlike Metronet, Tubelines operates the emergency response teams for the whole underground network. As such its staff were responsible for everything from assessing damage to evacuating those caught up in the blasts."

They don't come out and say they were doing an exercise involving bombs. However, this is the ONLY group that would hire Visor, as Tubelines takes care of emergency operations for the WHOLE of the LU. So, not only did this company have people on the ground doing exercises that mirrored the event of that tragic day, they were also the first on the crime scene before the police. Heck, they told the police when they could come in and check the site. Great opportunity to remove any evidence.

“At Russell Square our engineers went in to check the tunnel before any of the police
forensic teams could start. The police couldn’t and wouldn’t put any of their people inside until we had checked that it was safe,” says Peat.

"Next we got the track boys in and they replaced about 30ft of damaged track. The signal team also came in to repair the broken cables, several hundred metres worth. We also had to repair a 22,000KV power cable and both the phone and radio systems were wrecked.”

Sometimes you see pictures of the trains and it seems that the roof wasn't blown off, or the damage wasn't nearly as bad as you thought. This could be explained by the following passage...

"The walls and roof had been blown outwards, and to get the carriages out of the tunnel we had to pull them back in again and fold the roof down. The carriages themselves were then wrapped in a type of large bubbled wrap,” explains Peat.

I wonder if the floor was blown outwards as well...they left that bit out.

I am by NO means implying that Tubelines or it's people were involved in anything at all nefarious. I think it is a possibility that terrorists could have infiltrated Tubelines at some level and used it to their advantage. Let's make that clear. These people were very brave and hard working. It should be remembered that without their actions that day, many more people could have been hurt. Yes, the picture of Tubelines Operations Director Stephen Peat is creepy, but that doesn't mean he's involved. He's probably a very resourceful and competant man. Tubelines rules OK.

-The Savage
VICTORY GIN BLOG
www.americanlibation.blogspot.com...

good find. if it is correct, they would be the first people on site at the 'scene of the crime' so-to-speak......thats not a good thing. i'm envisioning them planting and taking 'evidence' out of the area....the plot thickens.
what an odd 'coincidence' with the exercises being held at the same time and place as the bombings...........what a 'coincidence', ..what a 'coincidence'....i keep thinking that if i repeat the 'officaly sanctioned' mantra, that i will believe it.....what a 'coincidence', what a 'coincidence'........

Thanks! We're going to get to the bottom of this. Here's to the good people of England!

Hi - Im almost all the way to being banned on this forum, but am glad to have found you elsewhere
This is a very good find and as good a lead to possible culprits or rather a front organisation as I've found

I havn't read it yet, but here's some info on Tubelines:

www.labournet.net...

Here's there site:

www.tubelines.com...

Here's company's house info, if someone wants to pay a couple quid they can get the accounts and director reports.

wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk...

[edit on 29-8-2005 by AgentSmith]

However after reading it I don;t se how they have anything to do with Visor or the exercise? Any more so than the police or anyone else do?

As was stated before Visor help companies deal with how these events affect them in their own sector.
They have nothing to do with practical exercises involving people on the ground, how many times do we have to go through this? It is frankly getting very annoying.

The stupid thing was I should have read your post better and the original article before posting anything previously. You seem to be jumping to conclusions without any just cause.

The statement about how they would be the only company to hire Visor is wrong, in fact they would be the LAST company to hire Visor.

Once again, please do full research into Visor, their job and do some research into Crisis Management and the terms used within the industry.



[edit on 29-8-2005 by AgentSmith]

I think Visor was said to have gone into realtime action on 7/7
They must therefore have some real impact within the system

Of course they did, or what else would they be training people at the company for? They went into realtime crisis management within the company they had a contract with.
This would entail minimising financial losses and accounting for all company assets including staff.

From their webiste:

Years of direct hands-on experience during real crises. Specialists in Crisis Management, Motivating, Coaching, Project Management, Media Handling, Workshops and Testing, as well as Business Continuity advice.

www.visorconsultants.com...

What's so difficult to understand? If it's that hard then people really shouldn't be trying to comprehend anything more complicated.. Sorry.

And considering the extensive discussion that you were part of dh, you should really know better on this subject. Your still vainly attempting to peddle your rubbish despite the fact that even you really know it's all irrelevant.

Here's some info:

www.valuebasedmanagement.net...

Just search Google on information for Crisis Management and Business Continuity, I'm not doing for everyone again.

They have as much to do with a practical hands on exercise on the ground as the Emergancy Services have to do with managing businesses' disaster recovery procedures.

[edit on 29-8-2005 by AgentSmith]

Originally posted by dh
Hi - Im almost all the way to being banned on this forum, but am glad to have found you elsewhere
This is a very good find and as good a lead to possible culprits or rather a front organisation as I've found

dh, as an ATS council member I'd like to say that you're not on your way to being banned -- just be respectful of other people's views, as all members of the site should be .

"Tubelines and Metronet are the Underground’s maintenance and upgrade contractors, but unlike Metronet, Tubelines operates the EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAMS for the WHOLE underground network."

If Visor was hired for Crisis Management, who else would hire them? Emergency Response teams have everything to do with crisis management.

I don't blame you for being critical, AgentSmith, but c'mon...it was Tubelines.

I'll bet ya five quid right here.

I'm not getting into this Visor had 1000, no the other company had 1000 people. What the @&*# ever!!! Who cares? They operate Emergency Teams. That's who would respond if a bomb went off. In fact, they are the ones who responded to the attacks. Even the cops weren't allowed on site until Tubelines were finished. If Visor "sprung into action" in directing, managing a crisis, who else...naw man-It was Tubelines. Nuff said.
Killer first post by the way AgentSmith-THANKS!!!

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[edit on 29-8-2005 by dh]

Originally posted by djohnsto77

dh, as an ATS council member I'd like to say that you're not on your way to being banned -- just be respectful of other people's views, as all members of the site should be

.

Well I hate to go off topic here, but I feel I've never been disrespectful of people's views, except those lurking in secret societies perhaps
I've been a little frank with mine perhaps, ascribing everything to the NWO for instance
Not in my view a crime in a conspiracy forum
Still treated as such- ask the mods - thousnds of points lost along the way
I know this doesn't belong here
Victim consciousness just like all those Muslims
Back to the thread
This is a good one

[edit on 29-8-2005 by dh]

[edit on 29-8-2005 by dh]

[edit on 29-8-2005 by dh]

Source:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_management

Crisis management involves:

"Identifying a crisis."

Visor: "Multiple bombs have gone off at these stations. Holy @%*&! it's just like we planned! What the 'ell? The hair on the back of my neck is standing up!"

"Planning a response to the crisis."

Visor: "OK people, time to slip into realtime! Get the police on the phone, contact your media relations dept. and tell them to be ready, send emergency teams ASAP. Remain calm, we'll make sure you look good throughout the process. Don't worry."

"Confronting and resolving the crisis."

Visor: "OK, you are responsible for emergency response for the entire London Underground. The bombs went off here, here and here. Do this, this, and this to resolve the problem. Everyone evacuated? Crime scene safe? OK, hand it over to the police for forensics. There, that wasn't so bad."

Source:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_management

"Crisis management can be applied in almost ANY FIELD OF ENDEAVER, but it is most commonly used in international relations, political science and management. For more about crisis management in international relations, see international crisis."

Critic: That's what I'm saying! Crisis Management is commonly used in management. It was all on paper! They're all pencil pushers! Your WRONG! It's just how they handle a crisis on paper, how they protect their investments, remembering to carry the two! They had no people on the ground!!!! They only deal in Buisiness continuity plans, just for the company no one else!!!

Me:I KNOW they had no one "on the ground." Visor manages. Tubelines is responsible for the ONLY Emergency Teams on the London Underground. Crisis Management is not exclusively on paper. It can be both. If a bomb goes off on the London Underground, Metronet is not responsible first. Rail One is not responsible first. The metropolitan police are not responsible first. Tubelines, which provides emergency response for the entirety of the London Underground is responsible first and foremost.

The exercise involved bombs going off. They responded first. So did Visor, simultaneously even.

PLEASE argue with me. Maybe you'll change my mind. Maybe...

Oh my god no!!! It's Peter Power! He's got a gun! He's a reptilian....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!..........

Visor Special Ops Intel Team:"There, that wasn't so bad."

Normal person who was told they are being trained IN CASE of a terrorist attack, first day on the job: "What, what do you mean there's a real terrorist attack going on? This is a joke right?

Right? This can't be happening. This can't be happening! Its my first day! I'm freakin' out, AAAAAHHAAAHHAAAA!"

So compare Visor's management of the situation with what we would expect to happen, if people were prepared for a simulation but instead got the real thing, the proper response is to go crazy! I mean, as a mathematician, you would have to consider the odds!

Why couldn't it have been the day before, there would be so much less pressure on you,damn, unlucky bastards, starting their jobs that day.

Think what you want, if you'd spent hours researching what Visor ACTUALLY do and the sort of companies they do it for, and also researched into what disaster recovery was in relation to normal companies then you might understand.
They DON'T have anything to do with ground response.

They deal with normal companies and help them draw up emergency contingancy plans in the case of disaster. They would NEVER have anything to do with a company like Tubelines as it's IRRELEVANT.

Do some research and it's all very obvious, I'm not writing it all again because no-one can be bothered in case it ruins their little ideas, if you search on here you'll find the post and better still if you do some research on the internet in this area then it will all become clear.

People have a right to an opinon, they don't have the right to make up facts.

[edit on 30-8-2005 by AgentSmith]

Peter Power on ITV news July 7th:
"So we had to suddenly switch an exercise from fictional to real. AND ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS IS GET THAT BUREAU NUMBER, AND WHEN YOU HAVE A LIST OF PEOPLE MISSING, TELL THEM. AND IT TOOK A LONG TIME."

OK. Got that? when you people ON THE GROUND have a list of missing people (UNLESS THEY'RE REMOTE VIEWING)----you emergency teams, you call the police and tell them what's up. Freakin' easy as A-B-C my friend. They're not talking about a list of possible missing from the board of directors. "...it took a long time."

Peter Power on ITV news July 7th:
"We specialize in helping people to get their crisis management response. How you jump from slow time thinking to quick time doing. And we chose a scenario, with their assistance, which is based on a terrorist attack because they are very close to a property occupied by Jewish businessmen in the city and there are more American banks in the city than there are in the whole of New York. A logical thing to do."

Don't give me this “they have no say in what was taking place on site.” That's irrational. They manage your crisis response. Doing not thinking. You heard it yourself right now. I’m not inventing @!*%.

I must, most humbly, disagree. You make no sense. They decide nothing on the ground but when you get a list of missing people, notify the police. ???

"Oh my god, a terrorist attack! Our company is falling apart!!!!"

Whatever dude.

Thanks for the input, though!


[edit on 30-8-2005 by The Savage]

Originally posted by The Savage
"Oh my god, a terrorist attack! Our company is falling apart!!!!"

Whatever dude.

That's exactly what it is about, I'm working at the moment but here's a few bits of info, this one from another company that does the same sort of thing as Visor:

The threats of sabotage and terrorism are unfortunate realities of our global business environment. The unpredictability and potential scale of attacks require comprehensive planning to reduce exposures and respond effectively if a crisis occurs.

Since 1997, Aon has offered counter-terrorism consulting services to help clients reduce their risks and insurance to protect against losses. The unparalleled qualifications of our team combine the expertise of military special forces veterans with the knowledge and skills of the world's foremost risk management advisers. Our Special Risks Counter-Terrorism (SRT) team is experienced with terrorist attack methods, including weapons of mass destruction, explosives and the use of chemical, biological and radiological agents. They can also help you recognize hoaxes and avoid costly over-reactions to perceived threats.


Prevention and Preparation
We help you avoid attacks and be prepared if one occurs. We provide:

* Risk assessment of threats and likely impact on business operations
* Awareness reports on terrorist methods and devices
* Counter-terrorism review
* Terrorism probable maximum loss study
* Response plan review and revisions
* Security review of offices and private residences
* Bomb protection and prevention
* Employee training

www.aon.com...

Product contamination, product recall, kidnap, terrorist attacks, system sabotage, extortion, emergency evacuation, natural hazards, environmental disasters, contract frustration. Any of these crises could occur anytime, anywhere. The impact on your company, regardless of its size, could be catastrophic.www.aon.com...

Here's some info from the London Chamber of Commerce Disaster recovery paper for companies:

The aim of this fact sheet is to highlight to companies irrespective of size the importance of having a robust, fully tried and tested and regularly revised contingency plan in place covering crisis management and disaster recovery.

Disaster can strike at any time. It could result from computer hacking of a company’s IT system, fire, flood, fraud, suspect explosive devices, disgruntled employees, terrorist attacks or a chemical biological incident. Research has shown that small and medium size enterprises are particularly at risk.....

..............
80% of large businesses in London have back up plans in place that would help them survive if they, or London, were subject to a terrorist attack.
www.londonprepared.gov.uk...

Once again, I STRONGLY suggest you start doing some research before you make yourself look illinformed and foolish.

[edit on 30-8-2005 by AgentSmith]

Originally posted by The Savage
OK. Got that? when you people ON THE GROUND have a list of missing people (UNLESS THEY'RE REMOTE VIEWING)----you emergency teams, you call the police and tell them what's up. Freakin' easy as A-B-C my friend. They're not talking about a list of possible missing from the board of directors. "...it took a long time."
[edit on 30-8-2005 by The Savage]

Actually that pretty much IS what they are talking about, only it's not just directors it's all of the staff. In a crisis like this if it isn't for companies reporting who isn't at work that should be then it would be even harder to account for all the public.
There not still at school, there isn't a register of who's in and who's not, unless it's a factory where you clock in.
It takes a long time to account for everyone and then supply a list of missing personnel to the authorities, especially in the panic.

Originally posted by The Savage
Peter Power on ITV news July 7th:
"We specialize in helping people to get their crisis management response. How you jump from slow time thinking to quick time doing. And we chose a scenario, with their assistance, which is based on a terrorist attack because they are very close to a property occupied by Jewish businessmen in the city and there are more American banks in the city than there are in the whole of New York. A logical thing to do."

Says it all here in your quote really, like they said they chose a terrorist attack scenario because their offices are next to a property occupied by a Jewish business man. Pretty specific to one location when the London Underground is spread across the whole city don't you think?

Thanks for your input though..
Look forward to some more once you've read the documents and gained an understanding of the subject.

[edit on 30-8-2005 by AgentSmith]

These circular arguments are so familiar here
The introduction of side issues and diversions
The Savage's assertions remain intact
Jewish businessmen?- give us a break

Originally posted by dh
These circular arguments are so familiar here
The introduction of side issues and diversions
The Savage's assertions remain intact
Jewish businessmen?- give us a break

I think your talking about the introduction of FACTS, sorry to break up your little party. You really need to start looking at all the FACTS instead of picking out only the bits you think are relevent to what you want, which is usually only amount to about 20% of the information available.

This site is about denying ignorance, not about finding any excuse to bitch about the system while ignoring 80% of the information presented because it contradicts some fantasy theory.
There are plenty of other forum's on the internet that happily welcome people like you with your irrelevent comments.
If you want a site like that PM me and I'll pass on a few URL's where you'll find others like you. You can all fantasise together.

If you don't have anything useful to say - don't say anything at all.

Savage's assertions do NOT remain intact, anyone with more than half a brain can see that.
And the Jewish business man comment was in the quote that HE supplied, what's the matter? Don't like your own 'evidence' being turned around?

It's because of people like you only choosing to hear what they want while ignoring everything else that most of these wild stories begin anyway. I guess you think of that as a good thing

Just so long as you believe your 'enlightened'...

[edit on 31-8-2005 by AgentSmith]