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Originally posted by Alex_De_Large
I still think there is a connection.
Originally posted by The Axeman
Originally posted by Alex_De_Large
I still think there is a connection.
How profound.
Why don't you explain why you think there is a connection, rather than just saying you think there is a connection. It has already been established that your original assertion is lacking... so fill us in... or don't, it doesn't matter to me one way or the other.
Originally posted by Cicada
But still he has the right to state that he holds his opinion even if he doesn't have the supportive evidence needed to make his supposition compelling. And of course we all have the right to call him on it and present opinions of our own. It is still a free country, at least for today. The intentions of my posts on this thread were only meant to be constructive, I just want to emphasize that point.
Originally posted by crimsonflame
Is the Tarot like Runes?
Originally posted by Cicada
Axeman, it was not my intention to knock you either. You have every right to ask for someone to explain the reason for their position. Something tells me Alex_De_Large is unequipped to do so at this time.
Unless you're superstitious in nature then there's no reason to fear a deck of Tarot cards even if you're not trained or initiated with them. They're just cards with pictures on them. They're designed to be looked at and analyzed. There's lots of things we can do on any given day to give ourselves a case of the creeps, that doesn't mean there's any real danger. Any divinatory device is capable of freaking you out. A Ouija board manufactured by Parker Brothers is certainly more psycho-dynamic than reading Tarot cards, which in my experience usually requires flipping through a little book to make even a semblance of sense to the casual user. Worry when you drive your car, you can get killed really easily doing that. But Tarot cards? Paper cut danger level at best. Don't fear symbols. Dr. Waite states in "The Key to the Tarot": "The true tarot is symbolism; it speaks no other signs." (quote courtesy of the little book that came with my Rider Tarot Deck, published by U.S.Games Systems, Inc.)
Originally posted by Alex_De_Large
I still think there is a connection.
Originally posted by The Axeman
I will say this: While I do not believe that Freemasonry utilizes the Tarot in its teachings, i do believe that the knowledge that can be derived from using the Tarot is similar to what Freemasonry teaches; it is simply another vehicle of the same knowledge, i.e. knowledge of self, or rather, introspection for the purpose of self-improvement.
That, of course, is merely my own opinion.
Originally posted by Alex_De_Large
I still think there is a connection.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
...I would argue that the Tarot is based on the same body of teachings as esoteric Masonry, i.e., the Kabalah.
Originally posted by Cicada
Cabbalah is "hot" right now with the New Age/alternative religion set, but if taken just at face value it becomes just another abstract system of spiritualism, not that there's anything wrong with that per se.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
Anyway, just for informational purposes, this is what Pike wrote in regards to the Tarot:
He who desires to attain to the understanding of the Grand Word and the possession of the Great Secret, ought carefully to read the Hermetic philosophers, and will undoubtedly attain initiation, as others have done; but he must take, for the key of their allegories, the single dogma of Hermes, contained in his table of Emerald, and follow, to class his acquisitions of knowledge and direct the operation, the order indicated in the Kabalistic alphabet of the Tarot.
- Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma", p. 777
Originally posted by Masonic Light
I also find it sort of humurous that studying Kabalah has become a fad.
Originally posted by Masonic Light
He who desires to attain to the understanding of the Grand Word and the possession of the Great Secret, ought carefully to read the Hermetic philosophers, and will undoubtedly attain initiation, as others have done; but he must take, for the key of their allegories, the single dogma of Hermes, contained in his table of Emerald, and follow, to class his acquisitions of knowledge and direct the operation, the order indicated in the Kabalistic alphabet of the Tarot.
- Albert Pike, "Morals and Dogma", p. 777
Emerald Tablet, The An ancient teaching by Hermes Trismegistus (the Egyptian Thoth), and one of the most fundamental texts of the Alchemical tradition. This is the complete text:
“It is true, no lie, certain, and to be depended upon, the superior agrees with the inferior, and the inferior with the superior, to effect that one truly wonderful work. As all things owe their existence to the will of the Only One, so all things owe their origin to the One Only Thing, the most hidden, by the arrangement of the Only God. The Father of that One Only Thing is the Sun, its Mother is the Moon, the Wind carries it in its belly; but its nourse is a Spirituous Earth. That One Only Thing is the Father of all things in the Universe, its power is perfect, after it is has been united to a Spirituous Earth. Separate that Spirituous Earth from the dense or crude by means of a gentle heat, with much attention. In great measure it ascends from the Earth up to Heaven, and the superior and the inferior are increased in power. By this thou wilt partake of the honours of the whole world. And the Darkness will fly from thee. This is the strength of all powers. With this thou wilt be able to overcome all things and to transmute all what is fine and what is coarse. In this manner, the world was created; the arrangements to follow this road are hidden. In this is hidden the Wisdom of the whole world.”