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Originally posted by EyesOfTheFuture (unemployed writer/programmer)
Try tearing his facts, conclusions and claims apart, and perhaps someone will take you seriously.
Originally posted by TrueLies
the street layout connecting the White House with the Capitol was originally laid out by Masonic architect, L'Enfant in 1792, so that the streets formed the evil Goats Head of Mendes Pentagram encompassing the White House -- plus the Masonic Compass, Square, and Rule from the White House to the Capitol. These street layouts continue to this day. The Goats Head of Mendes Pentagram encompassing the White House troubled us the most, since it is a 5-pointed star; occultists believe the number 5 is the number for Death .
As we stated in this original article, the occultist believes that symbols reverberate with inherent power from the moment they are created, power that is made even more effective since only the Adepts of Satanic societies and covens know the truth. Furthermore, most spells are not started until the witch or wizard creates a Satanic symbol on the floor or the ground to use during the ceremony; symbols created on the ground are deemed most powerful.
Originally posted by eudaimonia
Expect masons to outrageously deny left and right when the words Satanism/Masonry are put together.
Originally posted by sebatwerk
Do you have ANYTHING to show besides heresay and unprovable claims?
Originally posted by eudaimonia
Excuse me, but I don't think you had the chance in reading this:
eudaimonia.typepad.com...
This is my proof. These are the facts.
At the same time, Weishaupt ordered Illuminists to infiltrate into the Lodges of "Blue Masonry" and formed their own secret societies within all secret societies. Only Masons who proved themselves internationalists and those whose conduct proved they had defected from God were initiated into the Illuminati. Thenceforth; the conspirators donned the cloak of philanthropy and humanitarianism to conceal their revolutionary and subversive activities. In order to infiltrate into Masonic Lodges in Britain; Weishaupt invited John Robison over to Europe. Robison was a high-degree Mason in the "Scottish Rite." He was a professor of natural philosophy at Edinburgh University and Secretary of the Royal Society of Edinburgh. Robison did not fall for the lie that the objective of the Illuminati was to create a benevolent dictatorship; but he kept his reactions to himself so well that he was entrusted with a copy of Weishaupt's revised conspiracy for study and safekeeping
Originally posted by eudaimonia
Excuse me, but I don't think you had the chance in reading this:
*SNIP LINK*
This is my proof. These are the facts.
Originally posted by sebatwerk
Originally posted by eudaimonia
Excuse me, but I don't think you had the chance in reading this:
eudaimonia.typepad.com...
This is my proof. These are the facts.
FACTS?!? You call THIS a "fact"? :
At the same time, Weishaupt ordered Illuminists to infiltrate into the Lodges of "Blue Masonry" and formed their own secret societies within all secret societies. Only Masons who proved themselves internationalists and those whose conduct proved they had defected from God were initiated into the Illuminati. Thenceforth; the conspirators donned the cloak of philanthropy and humanitarianism to conceal their revolutionary and subversive activities. In order to infiltrate into Masonic Lodges in Britain; Weishaupt invited John Robison over to Europe. Robison was a high-degree Mason in the "Scottish Rite." He was a professor of natural philosophy at Edinburgh University and Secretary of the Royal Society of Edinburgh. Robison did not fall for the lie that the objective of the Illuminati was to create a benevolent dictatorship; but he kept his reactions to himself so well that he was entrusted with a copy of Weishaupt's revised conspiracy for study and safekeeping
Now, please show me WHERE, in that quote, the speaker provides evidence or proof of this? He CLAIMS it as being a fact, but he never PROVES it to be. These are not "facts", so stop claiming them to be! They are nothing more than speculation, and no judgement can be made based on this information!
The entire link you posted follows this nonsensical and pointless format. You are a VERY gulluible person, you require absolutely no proof or evidence of ANY claims, as long as it makes a good story or adds more heresay to the wild speculations and claims upon which your agenda is based.
You completely REFUSE to critically analyze these claims and you simply take them at absolute face value. Is this what you call denying ignorance?!?
I'll ask you the same question once more: Do you have ANYTHING to show besides unprovable claims?!?
Originally posted by eudaimonia
READ THE ENTIRE TRANSCRIPT! DON'T JUST SNIP ONE PART AND THEN BITCH ABOUT IT.
There's a lot more to read than just that snipped paragraph.
Myron C. Fagan is CREDIBLE and IF you had actually READ the transcript you will FIND those facts.
Jesus, the speaker nor the message isn't Anti-Mason, again if you had READ the transcript you'll find out Freemasonry was Hijacked. It IS part of the conspiracy. Most Masons do not know this.
Who's Denying Ignorance????????
Originally posted by sebatwerk
I DID read the entire thing, ding-dong! THERE IS NOT ONE OUNCE OF PROOF IN THE ENTIRE THING!!! You think that just because the author is "credible" that he should be believed regarding everything he says?!? That he is above demonstration of evidence?!?
And, also, I am VERY familiar with the theory that Freemasonry was "hijacked" by the Bavarian Illuminati. Were you aware that this nonsense was begun in the book ANGELS AND DEMONS?!? There has NEVER been ANY evidence put forward to demonstrate this, only that the Bavarian Illuminati was disbanded by internal bickering. I'd LOVE to see you PROVE otherwise, and not just post links to sites that do nothing but make unprovable claims.
Who's Denying Ignorance????????
Certainly not you.
[edit on 21-8-2005 by sebatwerk]
Originally posted by sebatwerk
Originally posted by saint4God
So you're saying Masons are trying to protect sex and money?
No, only that they are tyring to protect what is theirs and ONLY theirs, just like everyone else in this world does.
Originally posted by eudaimonia
ANGELS AND DEMONS? You think this is a joke? Fagan's speech was made in 1967, why do you bring up a freakin' novel from 2001?
Originally posted by Mayet
If not I guess one day your going to have women wanting to join Freemasonry and not just the Eastern Star. I think its disgusting that in this equality day and age the masons are so draconian to be the one of the last basions of male dominance.
Originally posted by sebatwerk
I DID read the entire thing, ding-dong!
You have voted sebatwerk for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have used all of your votes for this month.
Originally posted by Mayet
You didn't answer the question... IS freemasonry exempt legally from sex discrimination laws?
Like thousands of fraternities that exist, Freemasonry is a private organization that can admit anybody it wants, and is not forced, by law, to admit women
Originally posted by The Axeman
Originally posted by sebatwerk
I DID read the entire thing, ding-dong!
ROFLMAO!!!
You have voted sebatwerk for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have used all of your votes for this month.
OMG that was priceless... My side hurts...
[edit on 8/22/05 by The Axeman]
Originally posted by eudaimonia
The WATS once again being wasted.
You really like kissing up to seb, eh Axeman?
Originally posted by eudaimonia
The WATS once again being wasted.
You really like kissing up to seb, eh Axeman?
Originally posted by Mayet
You didn't answer the question... IS freemasonry exempt legally from sex discrimination laws?
Originally posted by df1
Originally posted by Mayet
You didn't answer the question... IS freemasonry exempt legally from sex discrimination laws?
To my knowledge Freemasonry is not exempt from discrimination laws. The U.S. courts have ruled that other fraternal organizations, such as the eagles and the elks, can not exclude women. (sorry I dont have the links handy) So I would be more than surprised if the courts were to find Freemasonry exempt.
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Originally posted by sebatwerk
Originally posted by df1
Originally posted by Mayet
You didn't answer the question... IS freemasonry exempt legally from sex discrimination laws?
To my knowledge Freemasonry is not exempt from discrimination laws. The U.S. courts have ruled that other fraternal organizations, such as the eagles and the elks, can not exclude women. (sorry I dont have the links handy) So I would be more than surprised if the courts were to find Freemasonry exempt.
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Untrue, and absolutely false. Non-profit organizations have no legal requirement whatsoever to admit someone they dont want to admit. Otherwise, I could join the Bohemian Club on grounds that they are discriminating me. That's nonsense. A private organization has every right to run it's org however it wants. That is WHY it is a private org.
If the Elks began admitting women, it was for some other reason. But a sexual discrimination suit would have done nothing.