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Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
Originally posted by umwolves123
you see our troops over there believe in this war 100%, i've seen it with my own eyes.
I don't believe you at all.
Were the miltary personnel involved in Abu Ghraib behind the war 100%? Are the increasing number of deserters and people taken out because of mental illness behind the war 100%?
Let us say that paid military personnel have principles like anyone else, and principles are not homogenous.
Originally posted by Rasputin13
For the record, I support the war in Iraq and the troops there 100%.
My only real concern with this issue is that the majority of those who area against the war spend far too much time criticizing the war (especially on here) and far too little time making supportive statements of the troops and/or their mission.
Sadly, I think when our troops hear all of this opposition to the war it can undermine moral. I think a way to combat that is for those against the war to continue to stress that while they don't support the war itself, they are behind our troops completely. I think that largely because of Vietnam, where a lot of those who were against the war took it out personally on the soldiers themselves, our men and women in uniform may feel that there is no distinction between then and now. Obviously there is a difference. While many are against the Iraq war, they have learned the lessons of protesting the Vietnam war and what it did to our soldiers' morale.
I hope everyone can understand what I'm trying to say here. Basically if you're against the war but still for the troops themselves, then you need to take that extra step to let the soldiers know that you're behind them. Whether you want us in Iraq or not, anyone who wants us to lose (at least those who live in Coalition nations) is a sick S.O.B. in my book.
So next time you make a post about how much George Bush is the devil and the war in Iraq was a mistake, be sure to also state your support for the troops. They're the ones putting their lives on the line regardless of the American people's support for their mission and regardless of what party the President at the time is a member of.
Originally posted by umwolves123
you may not believe me brother, but you werent there were you?! you didnt see and didnt fight among those men and women as i did, so DO NOT TELL ME WHAT THEY BELIEVE AND DONT BELIEVE!
[edit on 9-8-2005 by umwolves123]
The actions of a few at Abu Graib, should not reflect on the 360,000 other troops involved.
Originally posted by DigitalGrl
im 19 as most of you know, so i dont have much experience with war, a couple of my friends are over in iraq, but thats as close as i come to it. and there has been so much BS being thrown on both sides so i just wanted to bring up something....
For those of you that dont support the war on terror or the war in iraq, i have a question for you.
i think that its been assumed by alot of people, not just here but in the outside world that the people that dont support the current wars that america/britan etc..is undergoing that they inturn dont support our troops.
well i went to either shead light on or put an end to that assumption.
While i may disagree with people that agree with the micheal moore etc...i certianly dont hate them, and would really like to know how they feel about the men and women you go out their and fight for their country.
again, the assumption, in the media and everywhere else has been if you dont agree with the war then you dont support the troops and are unpatriotic.....i dont think thats necessarly a fair assumption until we here it from the people themselves..
so those of you that dont agree with the war....is this assumption correct or not?
* and please this is not a thread to bash people who dont agree with the wars, its a place to share their opinons on these assumptions.*
[edit on 10/01/2004 by DigitalGrl]
Originally posted by TruthWithin
My girlfriends father recently finished a tour of duty in Iraq for over a year and a half. His job was to patrol the highway to Baghdad Int'l in a Buffalo and disarm all of the IED's that have caused so much havoc. He joined the army when he was 17 with false papers because he desperately wanted to serve in Vietnam. He did not go, but stayed in the reserves working as a civilian. In 2003 he was sent to Iraq
His story now is that his base is being shut down and his division is being "disolved". He has been told to find "other work". At 53, with no college education, he is fairly limited. No pension. No retirement. Loss of benefits.
I LOVE our troops. I support them for what they are doing. My heart will always beat in tune with their bravery and sacrifice.
I DO NOT agree with this war that irresponsibly put these men and women in this position.
I DO NOT agree with the complete hypocrosy this government shows when they hide behind statements of "If you don't support the war, you don't support the troops". Then they turn around and cut combat pay, cut salaries, cut housing allowances for the remaining families and can still sit here and tell us that they "support our troops". There are military families being forced to rely on food banks because they cannot buy food. Support?
If no one disagreed with the wars, our troops would never come home.
[edit on 10-8-2005 by TruthWithin]
Originally posted by umwolves123
you may not believe me brother, but you werent there were you?! you didnt see and didnt fight among those men and women as i did, so DO NOT TELL ME WHAT THEY BELIEVE AND DONT BELIEVE!
Originally posted by DigitalGrl
i do not want this to be a debating ground.
Kind Regards,
DigitalGrl
Originally posted by TruthWithin
He joined the army when he was 17 with false papers because he desperately wanted to serve in Vietnam. He did not go, but stayed in the reserves working as a civilian. In 2003 he was sent to Iraq.
...... At 53, with no college education, he is fairly limited. No pension. No retirement. Loss of benefits.
Originally posted by alphabetaone
Originally posted by Rasputin13
For the record, I support the war in Iraq and the troops there 100%.
My only real concern with this issue is that the majority of those who area against the war spend far too much time criticizing the war (especially on here) and far too little time making supportive statements of the troops and/or their mission.
Sadly, I think when our troops hear all of this opposition to the war it can undermine moral. I think a way to combat that is for those against the war to continue to stress that while they don't support the war itself, they are behind our troops completely. I think that largely because of Vietnam, where a lot of those who were against the war took it out personally on the soldiers themselves, our men and women in uniform may feel that there is no distinction between then and now. Obviously there is a difference. While many are against the Iraq war, they have learned the lessons of protesting the Vietnam war and what it did to our soldiers' morale.
I hope everyone can understand what I'm trying to say here. Basically if you're against the war but still for the troops themselves, then you need to take that extra step to let the soldiers know that you're behind them. Whether you want us in Iraq or not, anyone who wants us to lose (at least those who live in Coalition nations) is a sick S.O.B. in my book.
So next time you make a post about how much George Bush is the devil and the war in Iraq was a mistake, be sure to also state your support for the troops. They're the ones putting their lives on the line regardless of the American people's support for their mission and regardless of what party the President at the time is a member of.
Thats exactly the point of the delineation...to support the troops while NOT supporting the war
To say that one DOESNT support the war wont affect a soldiers morale..especially if the war is justified
to say you dont support the TROOPS there will, though.
Then again, I think youre viewpoint is seriously flawed in one major respect..
if in fact, the war is illegal or unjustified, then honestly even if NO ONE supported the troops
who gives a damn about morale...would you NOT convict a murderer because you would
be worried it hurts his/her feelings? Somehow i doubt it.