It's MY Country!

for NIKELBEE.. Not everyone who dosent wear courdroy suits and sandals is a neo-nazi hitler loving knob.

Not everyone who disagrees with your politics wears courdroy suits and sandals.

You were saying something along the lines of spelling (well me i cannot spell) but those 3 little letters you were trying to use are bnp and not bmp.

No, BMP stands for British Muppet Party. You stand corrected.

i myself have not used the union jack , mine is the ST GEORGES CROSS for England...
i dont know what etched docs are but i think you may be refering to Dr martins boots ,i dunno what the etched is though.

Fair enough but just for your info NO one ever says Dr Martins boots - we call them docs.

But i can tell you that boots , braces, skinheads union jack waving type went out in the 1970's (along with courdoy suits and kevin keegan haircuts)

Uh. Wrong again. Plenty of guys in my workplace have Kevin Keegan haircuts.


[edit on 23-8-2005 by nikelbee]

Originally posted by spymaster
for UK WIZARD... sorry mate but because you dont follow the lefty do-gooders way of thinking , yes your thought make you a neo-nazi?

huh? I didn't understand that at all

for niklebee: you outdone me with the ''loads of men at your workplace still have got the kevin keegan haircut''
i hold my hands upto you on that one mate

for uk wizard.. i was agreeing with you : because you didnt go along with what someone was saying and that you dont like the euro you were being portrayd (now i know ive spelt that wrong) as a neo-nazi..

portrayed...go on niklebee give it to me ( i deserve it a 39yr old who cant spell portrayed

Originally posted by spymaster
for uk wizard.. i was agreeing with you : because you didnt go along with what someone was saying and that you dont like the euro you were being portrayd (now i know ive spelt that wrong) as a neo-nazi..

ohhh...fair enough

If The Kevin Keegan haircut is coming back, that's a far more pressing concern than anything else on this board.


STOP THE MULLET!

kevin keegan haircuts, sandals, courdroy suits,

you cant fly the flag (made illegal by some councils),

conkers banned from schools,

school sports day banned by some councils deemed (get this ) too competition like hahahah,

police in west yorkshire to be given 'green bands' in honour of muslims
police have been given guidelines for when they raid a muslim house, these are just some of them......

you must avert your eyes from a muslim woman,
you must NOT send sniffer dogs in,
you must take off your shoes before entering the property
you must not touch ANYTHING of a religious nature

robbie williams song 'Angels' banned from being played at a wedding because it was too christian (NO the people who's wedding it was wanted the song played but the lefty civil servant at the wedding said no )

some councils (the one where i live ) are not allowed to call asylum seekers..asylum seekers anymore, the must be called ''displaced persons''

if all this wasnt so stupid it would make you cry...good 'ol England
i think im losing heart in this country..

Here is another one for you.

Teachers and council employess are no longer allowed to use the term 'brain storming' for sitting around coming up with ideas and concepts.

The proper PC term is now 'idea showers' done with accompanying hand gestures that denote the rain 'falling' like ideas.

The reason for this is that 'brain storm' is actually a term used for an epileptic attack and we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings by confusing ideas with a serious condition.

Imagine meetings with grown people saying 'idea showers' and moving their spirit fingers around.

I leave you to decide if you think that is right or wrong.

oh thats a good'un niklebee.
another one for the pc patrol, ' who the bloody hell comes up with these?
someone on £50k a yr i suppose
perhaps we should start a new thread for the pc laws ( i think someone has done that though ...off to av a look)

It's MY Country!

NO its NOT u dont own it

to all the proud white folks on this thread. GOOD FOR YOU! there's absolutely nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage and culture. BUT, the difference between immigrants wanting to come to my country, the US and you is mostly this. immigrants want to come here and be themselves. you guys/gals want people to act like you! the issue or problem happens when people begin to think of their culture as supreme and try to force it on others. if muslims came over here trying to make my kids say muslim prayer in school i'd be furious. but just because I'm a hari krisna doesn't mean I think we should be chanting in the school.

and all these white guys crying on this thread that they are losing their rights. sure you are, you don't have the right to treat people like they aren't people anymore! sure you wish that you could talk about other races, religions, and women as you please. but get over it. aint gon hapen no mo!

Originally posted by russiankid

It's MY Country!

NO its NOT u dont own it

That's because you xenophobes would rather have Stalin own everything and be contempt and left with death, misery and hunger.

Passengername, I'm afraid you are barking up the wrong tree.

I have no problem with immigrants coming over her to live. They do, on the whole, bring much to this country - their customs, their crazy [but likeable] sense of dress [sometimes], their food and, their way of life is often looked upon with envy by those who do not work hard at school and in their place of business.

This is my country. My family have shed blood, fought for and died for this country, often defending Europe against the threat of the Imperial and
Nazi regimes in Germany. Indeed, my family has lost seven brothers and uncles and my great grandfather was awarded the Victoria cross in India during the Indian Mutiny [Wikipedia - Private John Freeman, 5th Lancers]

I myself have carried out operations in the name of freedom - freedom of speech, freedom of travel and freedom from repression.

But what I don't like, is people coming to this country, settling down and not doing a days work in their life.

I object most strongly that there are, in the immigrant population, those who peddle the destruction of the country I hold dear and the country they have chosen to reside in albeit contributing nothing to it's wellbeing!

I object in the strongest way possible, that these people should be deported back to where they come from and I personally, do not give a if, when they get back 'home', they face years of torture, prison or execution.

If you think that my views are to extreme, tough luck.

I have another thought for people like Abu Hamza. If you want people to become suicide bombers and kill people in this country, why don't you follow your own advice and blow your own fat arse to pieces?

Nobody will shed a tear and to be honest, it will save me another hard pressed tax payer, a fortune in keeping you and your kids in the life of luxuary you lead!

Now, to all you leftish, pinko, radical, nonentities from other countries who are telling me what I must feel about the immigant situation, and for all of you who tell me this is not MY country - shut the up and leave us alone. I would not presume to tell you what you can or cannot do in your country, so don't tell me what I can do in mine!

Oh. And another thing. To all you civil rights lawyers, solicitors and other loonytune civil right activists who bleat about the rights of the scumbags who are bombing my country, raping and drugging our children, mudering little old ladies, shooting innocent 7 year old girls, and those who burgle, rob and do all the other things that are against the Common Law of this country - just shut the up. They have no rights and should be treated accordingly!

TO ''ANYONE'' who does not agree with the laws of ''MY COUNTRY'' ENGLAND, to the same people who wish bad things to my beloved country ENGLAND, if you are all unhappy with this country why the dont you just leave ?

we are not forcing you to stay here?
you have come here NOT because it was the first place of refuge, you have probably crossed many safe havens along your journey to ENGLAND, but you hate us and this country , so why did you continue your journey to here?

to passengername: i DONT want the immigrants to act and behave like me, but I DO want them to respect my country.
you are right when you say'''' the issue or problem happens when people begin to think of their culture as supreme and try to force it on others'''
but unfortunatly that is what is happening in the u.k. at the moment....islamic extremists being allowed to say ''anything'' they want against ''anyone'' jews, whites, the west, gays , and they get away with it, as soon as you get a white person stand up and say he/she is proud of their culture, heritage and skin colour then they are automatically labeled a rascist.......

why should ENGLAND carry the worlds troubles on its shoulders?
why should innocent british people who work hard, pay bills and have nothing to show at the end of the week keep having the taxpayers money spent on keeping dog s**t scum like hook hand and his family in comfort.

just a thought for all the looney left ''courdroy suit'' do-gooders??????????

lets just say that we all buckle down and say nothing?
lets just say that all these scum extremists get their own way and are allowed to stay here and preach hate and contemp against everything you do , say , watch, eat, and belive in?
lets just say it goes a step further and islam does rule the world(:clwndnc
will you continue to stick up for their rights then
will you allow your wife , daughter to be beaten because she showed her skin in public:shk:
will you allow yourself and family to be converted to islam:shk:
if you dont convert to islam you will be taxed for being a non-muslim living in a islamic state:
Zimmis (those in custody) are non-Muslim subjects who live in Muslim countries and agree to pay the Jizya (tribute) in exchange for protection and safety, and to be subject to Islamic law. These enjoy a permanent covenant

have a look at this i know its a lot of copy and paste but well worth the read

FOR ALL THOSE WHO WOULD LOVE islam TO RULE THE WORLD and those who think its ok for people to slag off a country that has taken them in ,fed, clothed and put a roof over their heads

According to Muslim jurists, the following legal ordinances must be enforced on Zimmis (Christians and Jews alike) who reside among Muslims:

1)
Zimmis are not allowed to build new churches, temples, or synagogues. They are allowed to renovate old churches or houses of worship provided they do not allow to add any new construction. "Old churches" are those which existed prior to Islamic conquests and are included in a peace accord by Muslims. Construction of any church, temple, or synagogue in the Arab Peninsula (Saudi Arabia) is prohibited. It is the land of the Prophet and only Islam should prevail there. Yet, Muslims, if they wish, are permitted to demolish all non-Muslim houses of worship in any land they conquer.

2)
Zimmis are not allowed to pray or read their sacred books out loud at home or in churches, lest Muslims hear their prayers.

3)
Zimmis are not allowed to print their religious books or sell them in public places and markets.

4)
Zimmis are not allowed to install the cross on their houses or churches since it is a symbol of infidelity.

5)
Zimmis are not permitted to broadcast or display their ceremonial religious rituals on radio or television or to use the media or to publish any picture of their religious ceremonies in newspaper and magazines.

6)
Zimmis are not allowed to congregate in the streets during their religious festivals; rather, each must quietly make his way to his church or temple.

7)
Zimmis are not allowed to join the army unless there is indispensable need for them in which case they are not allowed to assume leadership positions but are considered mercenaries.

The Jizya (tribute)
Jizya literally means penalty. It is a protection tax levied on non-Muslims living under Islamic regimes, confirming their legal status. Mawdudi states that "the acceptance of the Jizya establishes the sanctity of their lives and property, and thereafter neither the Islamic state, nor the Muslim public have any right to violate their property, honor or liberty." Paying the Jizya is a symbol of humiliation and submission because Zimmis are not regarded as citizens of the Islamic state although they are, in most cases, natives to the country.

The Witness of Zimmis

Zimmis cannot testify against Muslims. They can only testify against other Zimmis or Musta'min. Their oaths are not considered valid in an Islamic court. According to the Shari`a, a Zimmi is not even qualified to be under oath. Muraghi states bluntly, "The testimony of a Zimmi is not accepted because Allah - may He be exalted - said: `God will not let the infidels (kafir) have an upper hand over the believers'." A Zimmi, regarded as an infidel, cannot testify against any Muslim regardless of his moral credibility. If a Zimmi has falsely accused another Zimmi and was once punished, his credibility and integrity is tarnished and his testimony is no longer acceptable. One serious implication of this is that if one Muslim has committed a serious offense against another, witnessed by Zimmis only, the court will have difficulty deciding the case since the testimonies of Zimmis are not acceptable. Yet, this same Zimmi whose integrity is blemished, if he converts to Islam, will have his testimony accepted against the Zimmis and Muslims alike, because according to the Shari`a, "By embracing Islam he has gained a new credibility which would enable him to witness..." All he has to do is to utter the Islamic confession of faith before witnesses, and that will elevate him from being an outcast to being a respected Muslim enjoying all the privileges of a devout Muslim.

Business World

The political arena and the official public sectors are not the only area in which non-Muslims are not allowed to assume a position of authority. A Muslim employee who works in a company inquires in a letter "if it is permissible for a Muslim owner (of a company) to confer authority on a Christian over other Muslims? (Al-Muslim Weekly; Vol. 8; issue No. 418; Friday 2, 5, 1993).

In response to this inquiry three eminent Muslim scholars issued their legal opinions:

Sheikh Manna` K. Al-Qubtan, professor of Higher studies at the School of Islamic Law in Riyadh, indicates that:

Basically, the command of non-Muslims over Muslims in not admissible, because God Almighty said: 'Allah will not give access to the infidels (i.e. Christians) to have authority over believers (Muslims) [Qur'an 4:141]. For God - Glory be to Him - has elevated Muslims to the highest rank (over all men) and foreordained to them the might, by virtue of the Qurtanic text in which God the Almighty said: 'Might and strength be to Allah, the Prophet (Muhammad) and the believers (Muslims) [Qur'an 63:8].

Thus, the authority of non-Muslim over a Muslim is incompatible with these two verses, since the Muslim has to submit to and obey whoever is in charge over him. The Muslim, therefore becomes inferior to him, and this should not be the case with the Muslim.

Muslims and Zimmis

Relationships between Muslims and Zimmis are classified in two categories: what is forbidden and what is allowable.
I. The Forbidden:

A Muslim is not allowed to:

1. emulate the Zimmis in their dress or behavior.

2. attend Zimmi festivals or support them in any way which may give them any power over Muslims.

3. lease his house or sell his land for the construction of a church, temple, liquor store, or anything that may benefit the Zimmi's faith.

4. work for Zimmis in any job that might promote their faith such as constructing a church.

5. make any endowment to churches or temples.

6. carry any vessel that contains wine, work in wine production, or transport pigs.

7. address Zimmis with any title such as: "my master" or "my lord."

II. The Allowable

A Muslim is allowed to:

1. financially assist the Zimmis, provided the money is not used in violation of Islamic law like buying wine or pork.

2. give the right of pre-emption (priority in buying property) to his Zimmi neighbor. The Hanbilites disapprove of this.

3. eat food prepared by the People of the Book.

4. console the Zimmis in an illness or in the loss of a loved one. It is also permissible for a Muslims to escort a funeral to the cemetery, but he has to walk in front of the coffin, not behind it, and he must depart before the deceased is buried.

5. congratulate the Zimmis for a wedding, birth of a child, return from a long trip, or recovery from illness. However, Muslims are warned not to utter any word which may suggest approval of the Zimmis' faith, such as: "May Allah exalt you," "May Allah honor you," or "May Allah give your religion victory."

WELCOM TO ENGLAND 2008

It's my country too...always has been, Native American here. I am so sick of so much that goes on with the government that I couldn't even begin to type it all. A democracy!? Yeah right, sure it is

Originally posted by LadyV
It's my country too...always has been, Native American here. I am so sick of so much that goes on with the government that I couldn't even begin to type it all. A democracy!? Yeah right, sure it is

Actually the topic is about England by the way...

Originally posted by AgentSmith

Actually the topic is about England by the way...

See what happens when you start posting right outa bed!

I get it all the time! Even when I've been up for hours! LOL

I agree, to an extend, with what you're saying fritz . You have your culture, and you want to keep that culture. You don't want other people going into your country and trying to change your way of life. Makes sense to me . I get mad too when we're being told we can't even have a damned nativity scene during Christmas time. I wouldn't be offended if I saw a manora somewhere in the mall...

Do they have the ACLU over there?

Hi herman. Afraid you've lost me there, my friend.

What [orwho] is this ACLU? Please enlighten me [us].