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Originally posted by subz
The way I see it is we have two options.
1) Fight terrorism as if its a conventional war (War on Terror) which we are currently doing.
OR
2) Encourage existing politcal wings of terrorist organisations such as Hamas and entice other groups to do the same. Be sincere in listening to their greivances and give them something to work towards.
Originally posted by subz
Lets say, with Islamic extemists such as Hamas, that they are given a political voice in a newly created Palestinian state. There will still be those who are not satisfied and want the destruction of Israel, but there will also be those who will put their energy and time into the political process. It will fracture Hamas much the same way as did the IRA and the real IRA. Once it is fractured you heap support on the non-violent faction and come down hard with police forces on those who remain violent.
Originally posted by the_oleneo
Sorry, to me, that would give political legitimation to these terrorist organizations, as if we would condone their past actions and ignore the deaths these people caused for years. Terrorists are terrorists, no matter what benign form they would take for legitimacy's sake.
Originally posted by the_oleneo
Hamas is more of a hardcore, deeply religious, tightly knitted terrorist group than the IRA.
Originally posted by the_oleneo
Hamas' politics are Islamic-oriented and Islamocentric, not of a secular kind like the Fatah is trying to become under Abbas. They would never renounce violence because they see it a primary mean to a greater end: the destruction of Israel and the total establishment of an Islamic Palestinian state (these are the primary goals of Hamas).
Originally posted by the_oleneo
You could spend years, even decades trying to convince the political wing of Hamas to distance themselves from the military wing of Hamas and they won't even budge. Why? Its political wing is its military wing as with its more influentially powerful religious wing. It's all interwoven, unlike the IRA.
Originally posted by subz
The IRA is a staunchly Roman Catholic organisation. You wont find Protestants in their ranks, I think that classes them as a deeply religious terrorist organisation.
Originally posted by subz
I fail to see how the fact that Hamas is so inclined changes the fact that we can syphon off support from those hell bent on destroying Israel terrorists. The alternative to giving them a chance to join the political process is more invasions and a higher death toll. What exactly do we have to lose in allowing them a stake in the political future?
Originally posted by subz
Our governments are planning a 20 to 30 year campaign with the War on Terror. I think spending years on trying to find peace ala Northern Ireland (the longest running terrorist conflict ever) is a better path to follow than perpetual hyper war. Dont you?
What Israeli terrorists?
The IDF have a duty to protect all of Israel and Israeli citizens from terrorists or invaders.
I noticed that the IRA never extended their terrorist actions beyond that of England over the years.
(27/07/2005) Shankill bomber Sean Kelly has been released from Maghaberry prison.
The BBC has been told he has been freed on what is called temporary release pending an application to the Sentence Review Commission.
Kelly was one of two men who left a bomb in a Shankill Road fish shop in 1993. Nine civilians died, as did Kelly's IRA accomplice.
Originally posted by the_oleneo
Funny, they don't get much backing from the Vatican these days, you know? I can't imagine an Irish Catholic priest or a bishop preaching a fire-n-brimstone sermon upon the Irish Catholics to wage a bloody "jihad" against all of England nowadays, eh?
While at the same time, Ireland still feel like it's missing its arm or shoulder, depending on your point of view if you look at the whole island. I noticed that the IRA never extended their terrorist actions beyond that of England over the years.
[edit on 7/27/2005 by the_oleneo]
Originally posted by the_oleneo
I noticed that the IRA never extended their terrorist actions beyond that of England over the years.
Originally posted by mzrti
So should people not be asking all the terrorists over here to give up their guns and renounce violence not just one side.
Originally posted by KhieuSamphan
Originally posted by the_oleneo
I noticed that the IRA never extended their terrorist actions beyond that of England over the years.
I believe the IRA exploded bombs in Germay, albeit outside British army bases, but still not inside England...and some people will say that the three blokes arrested in Colombia weren't exactly there on a sight-seeing trip...oh, and haven't the IRA been linked to a crack shot sniper in the occupied territories?
Originally posted by CX
Excellent!
We can all go home now then.
Sorry if i don't seem too trusting of this, but i'm sure lots of people will understand.
They've been ordered to dump arms......but where? Probably up in attic ready for the next rainy day as usual.
CX.
Originally posted by infinite
IRA soilders have been told to stand down at 4pm and dump ALL WEAPONS...
All soldiers are to pursue aims by politics!!
ALL units have been ordered to dump arms
www.sky.com...
IRA will build and work to build the republic
[edit on 28-7-2005 by infinite]