TA-THREAT: FBI: Larger al-Qaeda Plot in California

Californian authorities have discovered a plot in which al-Qaeda members were recently found to be operating in a Northern California community. The FBI states that the arrest of a father and son duo denotes an even bigger plan to initiate a jihad on American soil to harm Americans and its institutions.



The father and son team have not yet been charged with terrorist involvement however the son attended an al-Qaeda training camp in Pakistan.

It seems as if the FBI is really 'hush-hush' about this recent discovery. Not much information is being leaked out to the press. We only know certain individuals who are tied to al-Qaeda have been operating out of California for quite some time now. Apparently, these members are tied to a massive plot to cause a terrorist attack on the nation.

This is the second major arrest of al-Qaeda operatives in the confines of the United States this month. Many of you remember the two al-Qaeda members living in New York that was recently arrested by an FBI investigator posing as a al-Qaeda member.

Makes you wonder how many cells are out there and where they are.

Roper

well from the sounds of it, we can wonder alll we want, but what difference does it make? they got it handled. Its been 4 years now, and nothing, but the occasional arrest here and there. See people....relax!! they got it handled...

This is a political move by the federal security apparatus. They arrest people inside the US because morale is faltering, given the downing street memo and growing concern over human right abuses in the so-called "war on terror". Also, the FBI is currently asking congress for extraordinary powers, so they need to credibilize their claim that they are not fighting windmills.

Here is another link to that story (and a video) :

Globalterroralert: U.S. Citizen Trained at Terror Camp in Pakistan



Globalterroralert.com (6/8/05): The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has arrested a Pakistani-American father and son living in California after the son admitted to attending an alleged Al-Qaida training camp in Pakistan. According to an FBI affidavit filed in the case, the younger man admitted to attending a "jihadist training camp" in Pakistan for six months during 2003-2004. The son allegedly told the FBI that the camp was "run by Al-Qaeda" and that weapons instructors at the camp used photos of "high ranking U.S. political figures"--including President Bush--as suggested targets. Since 2002, several suspected terrorist training camps affiliated with Al-Qaida have surfaced along the Pakistani-Afghan border in Waziristan.

Click to view video of Terror Training Camp in Waziristan

Wow this is really good news, in least in some ways, hopefully this happens more!

I find it odd that Al Qaeda terror arrests only happen when they're trying to get approval for the Patriot Act.

Where are all the terrorists when they don't have laws to create a police state sitting in Congress?

Lol, I did notice it was an odd coincidence. Either way I suppose better that we catch them during a time of heated politics than never at all. However I'm just wondering, could they be a bit more specific than just saying they wanted to start another Jihad against us? I mean was there actually a specific plot other than starting another Jihad to go along with the seemingly millions that have been declared against the US?

Originally posted by AWingAndASigh
I find it odd that Al Qaeda terror arrests only happen when they're trying to get approval for the Patriot Act.

Where are all the terrorists when they don't have laws to create a police state sitting in Congress?

Yeah You Are Right! They have been watching this Cell for something like 2 years ... and they decide to make a move now? That in itself is suspicious. Then you must ask yourself, why now, what purpose would that serve.
Then You turn on the News and See Bush Trying to convince the sheeple that he needs to Expand The 1st Patriot Act because without it we aren't safe in our homes, at our jobs, and in school. :shudder: shudder: When we haven't been attacked since September 11, 2001.



Suspecious Indeed...



RESEARCH PROJECT: The last time I remeber a Cell being busted in America was in Buffalo, NY ... where there any laws they were trying to pass, or perhaps creating fear to raise poll numbers in support of an important issue??? - 5 Points for anyone who can answer that question.

No way? If so, someone should have all of these 'coincidences' written down somewhere. That in addition to the questions surrounding 9/11, allong with the lies for the war on Iraq, along with........

Ahh what am I saying, people don't want to know about that, they want to know that America is the greatest country in the world that can do no wrong and if anyone points out anything that supports that maybe, possibly there are problems they are merely written off as "Anti-American", or tried to be ridiculed.

However, despite, my on cup is half empty outlook someone should do it and provide that as flyers around the streets and ask people can there really be this many sheer coincidences?

There have been arrests and other government investigations of Islamic groups in the US that seemed to have some involvement with terrorist groups. This is not the ony time when arrests have been made. Anyways, this is not even news, these two were arrested over 15 days ago.

www.cnn.com...

There is also the Lodi case of Al Qaeda members arrested at the beginning of June.

www.cnn.com...

To see some of the arrests made not only on the US but the world over of Al Qaeda members, here is a link.
www.foxnews.com...

The following is a link from 2002...

www.cbsnews.com...

So, this is not about making people afraid...this story is about the US authorities doing an excellent job capturing more Al Qaeda operatives.

BTW...do a google search on "Al Qaeda member arrested" and you will find that many have been arrested all over the world, including in European countries, such as France and Germany...so are these countries also trying to frighten their people when they have been against the war on terror?....

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BTW...do a google search on "Al Qaeda member arrested" and you will find that many have been arrested all over the world, including in European countries, such as France and Germany...so are these countries also trying to frighten their people when they have been against the war on terror?....

According to the links you posted, there have been 22 arrests within the US and 693 by other countries (not including reports of "dozens daily").

So my question would have to be, "Why do we need legislation like the Patriot Act when other countries are doing a better job of catching terrorists without it?"

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe

According to the links you posted, there have been 22 arrests within the US and 693 by other countries (not including reports of "dozens daily").

So my question would have to be, "Why do we need legislation like the Patriot Act when other countries are doing a better job of catching terrorists without it?"

And what in the world makes you think that European countries do not have legislatures that are similar if not the same as the Patriot Act?....

Anyways, perhaps you are not even aware that there are 193 countries in the world....so of course other countries together are going to get more terrorists than the US alone.....

Not only that, there are some countries where they have more terrorists, and this would make it easier to find more than in the US.

As for other countries having legislations similar to the Patriot Act, there is Canada's proposed anti-terrorism law Bill C36 in 2001...to name one other antiterrorist legislation, and most European countries have adopted similar such legislatures.

If you read leftist websites, what is happening in the US is happening all over the world, even Amnesty international claims that even thought many terrorists have been detained throughout the world, the war on terror is being used by most if not all countries in the world to suppress people's rights.

Europe and Central Asia Regional Overview
Covering events from January to December 2003
Governments across Europe and Central Asia continued to use the so-called "war on terror" to undermine human rights in the name of security. Among the steps taken by governments were regressive moves on "anti-terrorist" legislation, attacks on refugee protection, and restrictions on freedom of association and expression. Simplistic rhetoric about security, immigration and asylum, together with an upsurge in populism, bolstered racism and discriminatory practices towards minorities across the region. The lack of political will shown by the European Union (EU) to confront human rights violations within its own borders was increasingly disturbing, particularly in light of the planned accession of 10 new member states in 2004. Those responsible for violations, including torture or ill-treatment, continued to enjoy impunity.
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Torture and ill-treatment were reported from across the region, including in Albania, Moldova, Romania and Serbia and Montenegro, where reports of such treatment were common and credible. In Turkey, torture and ill-treatment in police detention remained a matter of grave concern, despite some positive legislative reforms. In Germany, an intense public debate on the permissible use of torture occurred after it emerged that a senior police officer had ordered a subordinate to use force against a criminal suspect. Some states, such as Belgium, Italy and Switzerland, lacked fundamental safeguards against ill-treatment in police custody.
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Racism continued as a backdrop to human rights abuses by law enforcement officials in the administration of justice. Reports of race-related illtreatment by law enforcement officials came from a distressingly wide range of states, including Belgium, Bulgaria, France, Greece, Italy, Poland, the Russian Federation, Slovakia, Slovenia and Spain. There was also a lack of due diligence by some states in investigating and prosecuting assaults by private actors on minorities, ethnic as well as religious.
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In other states, such as Greece, Macedonia, Portugal and Spain, there were reports of reckless or excessive use of firearms, sometimes resulting in deaths. In several countries, conditions in prisons as well as in detention facilities holding asylum-seekers and unauthorized immigrants, were cruel and degrading.

Excerpted from.
t2web.amnesty.r3h.net...

While there might be some truth in the above, i often find that the truth is somewhere in the middle, and we all just have to be reminded that the reason why criminals have more rights, and are more protected than the average citizens, is because of groups like Amnesty international and UCLA.

If it was up to Amnesty international, i think they would want us to give to suicide bombers 72 virgins (or whatever the number is) and everything else they are supposed to gain by killing themselves and infidels in the name of Allah, giving to white supremacists some hispanics, blacks, and Asians so they can target practice on all of us and appease their violent and racist tendencies, and in overall have every criminal sleeping under a bed of roses and having more rights than the law abiding citizens of the world.

People's rights should be protected, but once a person breaks the law, that person is forfeiting many of their rights, and more so if they have caused harm, or death or are planning to cause harm or death to other people.

While many of these human right groups have done good, they have also one a lot of evil, by giving criminals more rights to be protected than the average law abiding citizen.


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