Bin Laden Dead???

Yeh Bin Laden died in 2001, US used him a scape goat, and even after he is dead they are still using him as a scape goat, reminds me alot of JFK asassination and Lee Harvey Oswald.

I'm sure bin Laden would like nothing more than to have the world believe he is dead. At the very least, I bet he wishes he was 5'9' and wieghed 145 pounds, so he could blend into the crowd.

Based on Bin's beliefs, his speeches and his past - not likely. When the Saud's funneled hundreds of millions of dollars through CIA bank accounts, they stayed far from the battlefield, but not Laden. He actively fought and engaged guerilla warfare against an overpowering Soviet military and was revered. While his brothers lavished, swimming in Texan hosted coca-cola parties, suckling their fat harems, ol' Laden was in the trenches experiencing death and chaos at the hands of Mig 21's, Spetsnaz, and T-62 tanks.

He is considered a prophet of God by many a Muslim and he knows it. I'm sure he would like the ultimate reward that he believes in, martyrdom. It's quite clear our effective pyschowarfare has not allowed that to happen - thank God. I'd hate to see overnight another 50,000 sucide bombers hell bent on blowing up our boys. I think five dozen a day is enough in Iraq right now, don't you?



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none of us know for sure

it is a mystery that is certain

any of the theorys could be true

but we wont know for sure ....for a long time

maybe we will never really know for sure

i think we would all really like to know...

but i want everyone to realize that it is all speculation based on circumstancial evidence

the truth remains elusive... let us hope we find it one day

Judah, here in Spain, the defence depatrment knew well in advance of the terrorist attacks after information from more than 6 of the worlds security services, including NORWAY who had intercepted internet messages..

Maybe its just another COINCIDENCE, but the former minister for defence is now the prime minister of Spain...

It was well known that one of the electoral promises of the PP here in spain was the withdrawl of troops from Iraq...and after the bombings the cry for withdrawl was inevitable and the election was won on this basis.

The bombings were allowed to take place for a change of government...

Why is it that 6 months before the bombings the USA was taking satelite photos of the zones of the train stations of atochea and the surrounding areas...

Isnt it a COINCIDENCE that shortly after a truck was found the a tape inside with detonators and the tape had verses of the koran taped in arabic...just like the flight manuals found after 9/11..

Why is it that the sale of the stolen plastic exsplosives was known by the police months before but they did nothing and the information was hushed up with the information denied to the inteligence services..

Why is it that in one of the first statements made by the police, the form of explosive was stated to be semtex when it was known that it wasnt and the blame was immediatley being put on ETA.....A COVER STORY TO GIVE PEOPLE TIME TO LEAVE..

All of this is interconnected....3/11 9/11 its all the same....when it looks like what it is, when it smells like what it is, then it is what it is CONSPIRACY..

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The rumour the Bin Ladin has kidney disease is dis information spread by his cronies. As for for differnt Bin Ladins on differnt videos Saddam had many doubles so why not Bin Ladin?

Bin Ladin could be hiding in the USA last place anyone would look.
Dose the US have a sample of Bin Ladin DNA?
If so he wouldnt be in the USA he could be hiding in remote areas of Pakistan where the locals dont know what DNA is and tribal loayites run deeper then internatonal relations.

Originally posted by JudahMaccabbi

Originally posted by andy1972
Juddah...are you jewish by chance...hence your love of Mr Bush and your absolute belief in his CRUSADE(HA HA HA ) against global terrorism

Noam Chumpsky is also Jewish! what's your point?
Global terrorism is a threat to the world not only for the US or for Israel. You guys in Spain felt it real good with those train bombings and what you did as a country was exactly what those Fundamentalists Muslim scum wanted - Spain to pull out of Iraq. It is too bad that people cannot realize how big a threat is even after they are bitten by it - Personnally I call it stupidity.

..or should i say global oil domination...Hes making the world safe for capitalism, with the help of your zionist buddys in wall street.

A pea brained conspiracy theory supported by the Muslims who seek to demonize their enemies. Iraq is not about global oil domination although oil has a part in it. Sadaam has proven to be a threat, a psychopath and a tyrant. I think the US needs to be saluted for bringing down his regime. Your arguements are simplistic and do not capture the complexity of the issues pertaining to the war on terror.

Doesnt it disturbe you to know that Bin Laden is a product of the CIA and therefore a product of Bush as he was director of the cia...

People make mistakes. HAMAS was also originally supported by Israel. This is part of any war - today's allies are tomorrows enemies - Too bad that there are people who cannot comprehend this simple fact of life.

And Bin Laden, I dont know and dont care if hes dead as long as he dont damage my car

Isn't that a capitalist mindset?

Im nominating you for the most gullible person of the year, were you hatched from an egg by any chance??

The ignorance of most american patriots is truly pathetic, americans are really the most dumb kept people on the planet, what the hell does it take for ''the american'' to get some much needed sense as most europeans know what is going on with america and its devious politics??

I used to think Bush was a stupid american, know i think hes just like the average american........

*motionknight*

I will not sink to your eurotrash level.

I will just offer some words of advise. While the most powerful country in the world (In case your at a loss, I wil be a bit more specific - I meant the USA) is fighting Islamic Terrorism (you know - Allah Hu Akbar) your country and their respective counterparts in the EU are fighting an internal war with immigration and the eventual Islamification of Europe. The US has the sense and the power to counter this threat. The US has attributes the Europeans cannot even start to comprehend - that Is why you are so belligerent - You think you know - It is actually quite sad - I pity you.

For your Info I am American but I do not reside in the US.

never assume bin laden is dead unless you are sure.

If he is dead, I hope at the very least it was slow and painful.

Regardless of whether I disagree with what the current adminstration has done in the wake of 9-11, and regardless of my suspicions that some in the administration helped the plot along, I have little doubt that OBL was behind the attacks that killed 3,000 of my countrymen.

If I feel any regret at his passing, it will be that he died before he was captured, tried, and executed by the US. Sadly, with the current crowd in power, I doubt we will ever see that happen. He is too useful to them as a boogeyman to frighten the citizenry into compliance.

It is irrelevant whether he is dead or alive. The Muslims who are susceptible to his message and methods are as eager to follow him as a bright shining leader as they will to his martyred corpse.

Im sure someone has ask this before:

If Usama was caught, would he be tried by the US?
Who would hold his trial?

Anyways, Yeah I hope the sorry, non-bathing, piece of crap is dead.
If he's not dead, Then he will be caught one day and justice will be served.

Anyways, This is America, If he came here for trial someone would probably take him out....that's justice.

There are roughly what, 1billion folllowers of Islam? The movement that Bin Laden is a member of makes up 1%, that's what 1million?

If he is tried and killed, you'll see roughly 1Million people start taking part in those "terrorist" activities, a lot more then the 50,000 that are at it now. The worst thing that could happen would be to turn him into a Martyr, you'll end up with thousands more innocent peopl dying - World Over. It is why he has never been found, the American Government knows this. They also will know roughly where he is, he has major kidney problems and won't be in a cave somewhere, he needs doctors there taking care of him.

Also, Terrorism isn't some "Massive" problem, I grew up in an area of England where the IRA was targetting schools to get there point across. I used to go to School with armed guards on the streets and cars not allowed up them. I've been in an area when a car bomb went off, it has existed for thousands of years and always will. But now the Governments are using Terrorism as a way to make themselves and their friends rich.

Do not Martry him, it is the worst thing America could do.

Usama is safe and sound. He's on the White Houses payroll and is living comfortably at Bush's Texas ranch. He was staying in the Lincoln bedroom at the White House since 9/11, but moved to the ranch because he likes freash pork...

There are roughly what, 1billion folllowers of Islam? The movement that Bin Laden is a member of makes up 1%, that's what 1million?

1% percent is more like 10 million. Just thought Id point that out.

I really don't know where to stand on this

To me it seems that if Usama was actually dead, someone would have told by now and it would be all over the news in every country.

Some Marine that found him, some SS agent, somebody that knows would probably tell.

If Bin laden dies the CIA /NSA will need another excuse to invade other peoples countries

Oh, there're already up on that one...can you say Zarqawi? I knew you could...

Originally posted by andy1972
Judah, this "war" o really i should say "rape" of iraq, is NOT and NEVER has been about "global terrorism".

This was a blatenet excuse used by the Bush government for the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq.
The affair of the so called "weapons of mass destruction", has now been proved to be totally false.
It was a lie from the begining, and anyone who spoke out had an accident, like numerous scientists in England who, mysteriously felt the need to commit suicide.

How long are you going to believe the crap they tell you on the television.
The occupation of Afghanistan has secured the two oil wells with the greatest quantity of oil on the planet for the next two centuries.
And suprise, suprise, has the contract for laying the pipes for extrracting the oil..the Haliburton group, and who owns the Haliburton group..George Bush Snr...

Whos the new president of Afghanistan...One of the Directors of the, yes you guessed it, the haliburton group...

And suprise suprise, who won all the contracts, i hear, to repair government buildings and roads in iraq...THE BIN LADEN GROUP, from saudi arabia...and whos the owner..............

So George Bush Sr. owns Halliburton?? And the Bin Laden Group won the contract to repair buildings and roads in Iraq??? And Afghanistan has the two largest oil wells in the world??? WOW!!!

Either you get your news from your latrine or you simply make things up as you go along. If you want people to take you seriously, might I suggest that you take some time to do some research and DENY INGNORANCE!!!

Originally posted by motionknight
[Im nominating you for the most gullible person of the year, were you hatched from an egg by any chance??

The ignorance of most american patriots is truly pathetic, americans are really the most dumb kept people on the planet, what the hell does it take for ''the american'' to get some much needed sense as most europeans know what is going on with america and its devious politics??

I used to think Bush was a stupid american, know i think hes just like the average american........

Oh please motionknight (Corny name by the way!), why don't you educate all of us "the american[s]" about what is going on with our "devious politics" all knowing one! Please demonstrate your European illustriousness and pure omniscience by giving us all of the gory details.

Let me give you a clue, since it is apparent that you haven't one! Obviously "the american" are the only ones NOT caught up in ignorance which is why we are also one of the only countries to have the courage and the balls to fight the terrorists on their own soil as opposed to ours. It is obvious that you are not American, but rather some snobbish European who wants to sit back and pretend that you know what is best for America. I've got some news for ya and you're gonna think it's bad news... and it is... America is a SOVEREIGN NATION and we hardly give a F**K what you and your socialist-liberal brain dead European robots think! You got it wrong with WWI, you got it wrong with WWII and you've pretty much had it wrong since then. If we hadn't come to save you... REPEATEDLY... you would be speaking some bastardized version of German. Now get overself, deny ignorance and get a clue!

Damn it, yes 10million...makes it even worse doesn't it. 10million people with bombs, guns and knives, trying to kill anyone they can.

"Blood Bath!"

Originally posted by skippytjcNow that I have time to ponder this, I think you are 100% right. But, even if he really died that way, many of his followers wouldnt believe it. I guess that will happen no matter how he dies.

What do you mean? I'm sure they'd have some kind of service. Probably something quite huge. I'm sure it'll be no secret. The man is already considered a hero to many.

in 1998 the attacks on the embassys of the usa in kenia and tanzania caused 220 deaths, the response was immediate, to bomb the training camps of al qaeda.
The NEW YORK TIMES reported with suprise that the camps were "MADE IN THE USA" a product of the CIA.

"our land is occupied by infidels" said bin laden when referring to the us occupation of saudi arabia in 96, but at the same time his company "the bin laden group" was repairingf Kuwait and won more than 200 million dollars building bases and camps for the army....a contracdiction!!!!!

After the invasion of Afghanistan the new president was Hamid Karzai...ex freedom fighter and now top level executive for the UNOCAL group...unocal was the group who negotiated with the talibanes for the construcion and laying of pipelines after the discovery in the early nineties of possibly the the largest oil and gas wells with the largest reserves for the 21st century near the caspian sea.

It is estimated that Turkmenistan will have the power to export close to 5 million barrils of crude every day, putting it in the list of top producers in the world.

The UNOCAL group negociated with the talibans, knowing that their co-opration was needed as the piplines would have to pass through Afghanistan on its way to pakistan and the the indian ocean. The routes would be worth millions anually.

To make things easier CENTGAS was invented to facilitate contracts with the talibans..CENTGAS is a consortium head by UNOCAL..with the participation of DELTA OIL from Saudi Arabia.
Strangley enough in 98 the owner of DELTA OILS was accussed of links with AL QAEDA by the police in the USA.

The owner, KHALID BIN MAFHOUZ, multimillionare, is married to the sister of OSAMA BIN LADEN.

This was denuounced by a rival firm from Argentina BRIDAS...
"The FBI was not allowed to investigate Al Qaeda for fear they would find that between the largest oil groups in America, the republicans and texas society there is an extensive love story..."

And curiosley, one of the principal acionists of the HARKEN GROUP whos former owner is George Bush, now president, was KHALID BIN MAFHOUZ.
In 1998 a presentation by UNOCAL to the congress urged "the search for a stable government in Afghanistan that permitted the actualization of the plans to lay the pipelines"
From then on the political thought about the talibans changed, and bin laden was accussed publicaly of the attacks in Tanzania and Kenia turning him into the worlds number one terrorist., After the invasion of Afghanistan the talibans who once they had helped would cease to exist..

A year after the invasion Henry Kissinger was head of the investigation to find the failings in security in the 9/11 attacks.
Days later he had to resign as it was found his business intrests conflicted with the job....strangley Kissinger in 1994 was one of the international representatives of UNOCAL.
Kissinger was superceded by Thomas Kean...Kean is the president of DELTA HESS, part of the consortio CENTGAS, along with UNOCAL..
DELTA HESS is owned by the saudi based group DELTA OIL.. whos owner is KHALIN BIN MAFHOUZ, partner with George Bush since the 70s and brother in law of OSAMA BIN LADEN.

In 2002 HAMID KARZAI, top level UNOCAL man and president of afghanistan signed contracts with TURKMENISTAN and PAKISTAN to open the routes for the pipelines in afghanistan for the consortium CENTGAS....COINCIDENCE.


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