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Originally posted by CloudlessKnight
I think it's hard really to find the one true best evidence that will convince everyone. I think the best evidence for any one person to believe in aliens or UFOs, however, is to have an encounter with one for themselves. I know I've seen quite a few greys, and that's the best evidence I have to convince myself, but few others will accept that as "evidence."
The best evidence to convince everyone? Nothing short of the government fessing up, or the aliens coming right out into the open for all to see saying, "Here we are!"
[edit on 14-4-2005 by CloudlessKnight]
Originally posted by silentlonewolf
I think Roswell, especially after reading gazrok's posts on the subject. With the memo, the fact that the military goes out of their way to try and find a way to explain the bodies found. Also the star map in the betty and barney hill case is still impressive to me.
Originally posted by Dib
CloudlessKnight, I by know means intend to discount your experiences. Are you familiar with the argument that sleep paralysis may be the cause for the so-called "bedside encounters?" I'm just curious as to what makes you feel these weren't products a dream-state. Frankly, I find it odd that so many people experiencing sleep paralysis would "see" the same sort of thing. I think I read somewhere that sensory deprivation experiments produced similar experiences. Is there something in our unconscious mind that "makes" us see greys? Even that implies something odd and disturbing.
Originally posted by CloudlessKnight
then I would say that I've seen greys in Gautier, Mississippi
Originally posted by PeanutButterJellyTime
I've seen a lot of strange sights in Gautier, but they all turned out to be the locals!
I was stationed in Pascagoula for about a year.
Originally posted by CloudlessKnight
What makes me believe these experiences were not the result of a dream state is because I had similar experiences within the same time frame where I was never even asleep to begin with. Experiences that my brother and father were also witness to.
Originally posted by CloudlessKnight
I do think there is something in the human subconscious that makes us dream of things like aliens. But I don't believe that thing is any more trecherous than what makes us dream about our things and people like our family and friends (In other words, dreaming about aliens is not an indicator of mental illness).
Originally posted by CloudlessKnight
As for being wide awake and seeing these guys, I'm fairly certain that I was not hallucinating, haha. Then again, I'm not a doctor?
Originally posted by jritzmann
I know youre asking for more than one, but one that immediately comes to mind is Bentwaters-Woodbridge. I was always absolutely fascinated with that one.
As far as craft go, I dont personally believe you can definitely say any unknown UFO is without question of alien origin. Maybe, MAYBE possibly the Trent photos... There are questions no one has answered on those yet. Dr. Macabbee (while I dont agree with him on some things these days) did an fantastic paper on them using original negatives. Theyre worth looking at, and so is Bruce's paper on them.
Originally posted by Dib
Originally posted by jritzmann
I know youre asking for more than one, but one that immediately comes to mind is Bentwaters-Woodbridge. I was always absolutely fascinated with that one.
What, in particular, about Bentwaters-Woodbridge do you find compelling? I really wish someone, other than Larry Warren, would write an up-to-date book on that case.
As far as craft go, I dont personally believe you can definitely say any unknown UFO is without question of alien origin. Maybe, MAYBE possibly the Trent photos... There are questions no one has answered on those yet. Dr. Macabbee (while I dont agree with him on some things these days) did an fantastic paper on them using original negatives. Theyre worth looking at, and so is Bruce's paper on them.
I'm not sure if I've read about the Trent photos before? I'll look 'em up. Is Macabee's paper available online? Thanks...
Gazrok, I think LA and DC are strong cases; though I'm sure skeptics would dismiss them as "mass panics" (a la the War of the Worlds radio show) attributed to war-time fears (LA) and cold-war fears (DC). Despite obvious flaws in the Air Forces "final" reports, I'm starting to feel Roswell has been too "contaminated by hype" to be used in arguments with skeptics. Despite how interesting the "Ramey Memo" reconstruction is I can easily see skeptics claiming either photo-manipulation or subjective interpretations. hmm, maybe I should test that on my friend?