NY State is Now FORCING Woke Ideology on Medical Students

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: [post=27008562]quintessentone[phone.

So if you are a transwoman, then your doctor is expected to ignore your prostate and find a way to give you an annual pap or something?

Ask a transperson that question, but you won't.

In my position, it's an actual question. If the patient gender comes up counter to what the treatment would seem to fit, we have to ask, not just assume it's a mistake.

But thanks for you concern. Your scorn is noted

a reply to: geoffthesaint

Sorry to hear that. Government--type procedure just makes everything worse. I was phytologically bullied once at a job place (nothing to do with race but she was a woman, I a man) and there was nothing I could do about. These problems must be resolved by leadership, but when leaders don't care, nothing changes. My only option would have been to bring the situation to the Government agency for workplace abuses, but everyone I knew advised me not to get the gov involved. In similar situations, it just made life harder to the victims and they regretted doing it.

It really comes down to leadership. If the leaders don't care or are incompetent, we get a toxic workplace.

It honestly is a major issue that should be taught in medical school.

I know someone that was just found out she was pregnant. It took six doctors to get to that diagnosis. The first five brushed her symptoms off due to her weight.

Anyone that's overweight, from certain races, live certain lifestyles, etc will tell you these stories aren't uncommon. Unless you fit into a perfect, small, box, many doctors will brush aside your concerns and diagnose you based on whatever characteristic most excludes you from that box. Even if your symptoms don't match.

a reply to: geoffthesaint

Yikes. Isn't that just so condescending? I remember my high school class being subjected to a PC woman once back in the 90s. What words we can use and can't, etc. Afterwards everyone used the N-word just out of spite, including friends of mine who were the furthest thing from racist. We all know right from wrong and we don't need the mindless "soft language" and eggshell walking.

Haters are the minority but they will always find someone to hate. Some people are just so broken, and are from such broken families, that they just don't care. Making them speak politely does nothing to change the hurt and bitterness they carry in their hearts. These problems go far deeper than what can be fixed with a PC meeting.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Note what I wrote just after you posted.

Haters are the minority but they will always find someone to hate. Some people are just so broken, and are from such broken families, that they just don't care. Making them speak politely does nothing to change the hurt and bitterness they carry in their hearts. These problems go far deeper than what can be fixed with a PC meeting.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: [post=27008562]quintessentone[phone.

So if you are a transwoman, then your doctor is expected to ignore your prostate and find a way to give you an annual pap or something?

Ask a transperson that question, but you won't.

In my position, it's an actual question. If the patient gender comes up counter to what the treatment would seem to fit, we have to ask, not just assume it's a mistake.

But thanks for you concern. Your scorn is noted

It's not scorn, it's advice in how to get the correct answers to your questions. Prostates are left intact for proper function of urination, but I looked it up, but I could be wrong so always ask someone who knows.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

My post has nothing to do with that. This isn't a PC thing. It's a problem endemic with the medical world.

Doctors, in an effort to get through as many patients as possible, tend to make their diagnoses based on statistics. Unfortunately, for high risk demographics, doctors will zero in on those things that make the person high risk in the first place and ignore their actual symptoms.

originally posted by: frogs453
Hmm, maybe it's necessary. A PA from Bellvue hospital was just on video making a huge scene over a bike. A young black man picked a bike, connected his app to it to pay. The white PA got on the bike, refused to get off after he explained it was already connected to him. She then decided to cry and rant and look towards others to back her up. She keep touching him, then claimed "he was hurting her fetus" and yelling for help. He kept trying to explain if she took that bike he was responsible(potentially 1200 if not returned). After a little more screaming and fake tears, and no real back up from others, she shut the tears off immediately and chose another bike.

So, if this medical worker felt that she was entitled to the bike, screamed for help even though the non white guy did nothing to her, I think she has some definite unconscious bias that could affect how she treats patients.

Yes, this will not be a popular opinion on ATS, but oh well.

Yeah, well, she has a lawyer and a receipt for the bike. So we'll see how it all pans out.

a reply to: zosimov

He also had paid for the bike as he rode it home, so we will see. Weird that he told her he did pay, yet she never said she did and just screamed for help. We will see how it turns out.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

But sometimes, you blame the forest for the trees.



This case explains it very well, doctors are trained to see horses, not zebras. When they are confronted with a problem, they look at the most likely diagnosis, not the least likely.

For all you know, there may have been circumstances, like a stated use of birth control or stated menstrual bleeding, that made pregnancy less likely than other diagnoses, and if she was going from doctor to doctor and there was little communication between them, then each new doctor was mostly starting from scratch.

This lady did the same and it took literal years to get her cancer diagnosed, and in the end, she was the 1 in a million - a non-metastasizing cancer that metastasized in a young and seemingly healthy individual.

**EDIT**

Of course, the converse to your complaint is that doctors test for literally everything, and then you all complain that medicine is predatory and runs unnecessary test after unnecessary test when the complaint is almost always simple because medicine is just out for profit.

Y'all need to make up your minds.

The bias built into this is pathetic! How about the bias that is shown towards White's? Don't anyone dare say prove it as all we need to do is listen those pushing this garbage. If you are showing a bias in your anti-bias speel then you are being hypocritical. Only simple minds swallow this garbage. To combat bias you must use bias? By denying that no other race or gender can show bias is pretty biased in and of itself. If white people disappeared tomorrow there would still be bias in the world. There is no room for confronting everyone's biases, only for giving an approved group to be biased towards.

originally posted by: frogs453
Hmm, maybe it's necessary. A PA from Bellvue hospital was just on video making a huge scene over a bike. A young black man picked a bike, connected his app to it to pay. The white PA got on the bike, refused to get off after he explained it was already connected to him. She then decided to cry and rant and look towards others to back her up. She keep touching him, then claimed "he was hurting her fetus" and yelling for help. He kept trying to explain if she took that bike he was responsible(potentially 1200 if not returned). After a little more screaming and fake tears, and no real back up from others, she shut the tears off immediately and chose another bike.

So, if this medical worker felt that she was entitled to the bike, screamed for help even though the non white guy did nothing to her, I think she has some definite unconscious bias that could affect how she treats patients.

Yes, this will not be a popular opinion on ATS, but oh well.

So said video is showing a different kind of bias. That proves my point of the bias of blacks. Guess the nurse has receipts, so everyone jumped on the poor oppressed black teen bandwagon. Now he is being sued for defamation. Gotta love the bias YOU SHOWED, so much for your example.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

Just looking at studies on implicit bias and behaviour - slim pickins. Well it seems, at the present, the training most likely will not stick so is it still worthwhile having the training for those few that it will stick with? Maybe they need to tweak the training before they get it right.

We should be looking at systemic stereotyping in health services.

Explicit, uncritical racial stereotyping in medicine is one good example. We have known for many years that race is a social construct rather than a proxy for genetic or biological differences. Even so, recent work has identified numerous cases of race-adjusted clinical algorithms in medicine. In nephrology, for example, race adjustments that make it appear as if Black patients have better kidney function than they actually do can potentially lead to worse outcomes such as delays in referral for needed specialist care or kidney transplantation. Other more insidious stereotyping characterizes Native Americans and African Americans as more likely to be “noncompliant” with diet and lifestyle advice. These characterizations of noncompliance as a function of attitudes and practices completely ignore structural factors such as poverty, segregation and marketing—factors that create health inequities in the first place.

www.scientificamerican.com...

a reply to: LordAhriman

Yes. Small school in tiny town, all employees have to take the training, in fact have to do the course every single year off of a Youtube video and turn in signed certificate that we print and sign ourselves. Easy enough to lie and just turn in the certificate but that's not the point. Yes, I watched the video.