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The West Is Preparing for Russia’s Disintegration

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posted on Apr, 21 2023 @ 01:29 PM
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originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

"whataboutism"


Which is what YOU are doing. We're talking Russia and possible disintegration.

Can we stay on topic, Брат ?

Cheers



posted on Apr, 21 2023 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: paraphi

I wouldn't say "broken"; "fixed" is more appropriate.

Best thing would be for the Russians themselves to find and implement the fix.

Cheers



posted on Apr, 21 2023 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: vNex92

Ahem. Air superiority? They ain't got it.

Seems that Ukraine's air force is still operational.



posted on Apr, 21 2023 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

"whataboutism"


Irony.



posted on Apr, 21 2023 @ 01:39 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Apr, 21 2023 @ 01:44 PM
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a reply to: vNex92

Not even sure why you continue to make these threads.

Sadistic.

You must realize by now that they don't want any dissenting opinions. That's why they all Ad Hom you.

When it comes to Russia, the MSMs faithful echo chamber rules the day.

Not a single original f'n thought on this thread...
edit on 4/21/2023 by MykeNukem because: eh?



posted on Apr, 21 2023 @ 01:47 PM
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Sounds good to me. It's prudent to prepare for it. Should have happened at the end of WWII.
edit on 4/21/2023 by schuyler because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 21 2023 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: MykeNukem

""Not a single original f'n thought on the thread..."

Odd, I have seen quite a few.

Quite funny you talking about not wanting dissenting opinions on here.

Apparently, dissenting opinions in Russia get you offed or Gulaged.



posted on Apr, 21 2023 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: Timber13

Actually, China wants Eastern Russia. They are all for it.

China eyes Russia’s Far East resources, ‘patriots’ want more

asiatimes.com...



“This undeveloped land belonged to China,” a Hunan-based columnist says on Wednesday. “Is it possible that Russia sells it back to China at this time?”

“It is alright for China to help Russia develop its Far East region but we must get enough benefits, not just small profits,” he says. “Who is begging for help? Who is the real owner of the Far East region? If Russia is sincere, it should at least return the Outer Manchuria and Kuyedao (Sakhalin) to China.”

He says if seized land is not returned, China should refrain from making investments in the region. He cited Britain’s handover of Hong Kong to China as an example of a peaceful sovereignty transfer that Russia could follow.

On February 14, China’s Ministry of Natural Resources published a new version of its world map which directed a return to the use of Chinese names for eight cities and areas occupied by the Russian Empire.

Under Beijing’s new directive, Vladivostok is referred to as Haishenwai (meaning Sea Cucumber Bay) while Sakhalin Island is called Kuyedao. The Stanovoy Range, meanwhile, is referred to as Outer Xing’an Range in Chinese.


edit on 21-4-2023 by infolurker because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 21 2023 @ 01:53 PM
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originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: MykeNukem

""Not a single original f'n thought on the thread..."

Odd, I have seen quite a few.

Quite funny you talking about not wanting dissenting opinions on here.

Apparently, dissenting opinions in Russia get you offed or Gulaged.




Yea, that doesn't and has never happened in Ukraine.

Not that it has anything to add to your argument anyway, just another BS distraction.

SMH



posted on Apr, 21 2023 @ 01:54 PM
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a reply to: vNex92

Reading between the lines it seems like you are admitting that Russia might disintegrate.



posted on Apr, 21 2023 @ 01:55 PM
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originally posted by: tamusan
a reply to: vNex92

Reading between the lines it seems like you are admitting that Russia might disintegrate.


What's your take on that possibility ?

I have some notions, although I would prefer they remain notions and not become reality.

Cheers



posted on Apr, 21 2023 @ 01:58 PM
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a reply to: MykeNukem

Thanks for your opinion on my argument.

I'll give it all due any possible respect.



posted on Apr, 21 2023 @ 02:04 PM
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originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Timber13

Actually, China wants Eastern Russia. They are all for it.

China eyes Russia’s Far East resources, ‘patriots’ want more

asiatimes.com...


Not surprising at all to read.

Both China and Russia have expansionist policies. And they're neighbors.

The stronger wolf will eat the weaker wolf.



posted on Apr, 21 2023 @ 02:19 PM
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I'll add that if China truly has plans to take back their old territories, then it would actually behoove them to support Russia's war in Ukraine, on some base level.

If China provides assistance to Russia in order to prolong the war, but also deters Russia from a nuclear war, then Russia will eventually deplete its military resources. Russia is already digging into WW2 tanks and artillery because they're running out of metal.

Imagine the state of the Russian military after two more years of prolonged conflict. China would be able to just waltz right in and take whatever land they want, with minimal resistance.



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posted on Apr, 21 2023 @ 02:57 PM
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Nice to see the Russian propaganda puppet is still dancing on his strings.

Putin’s actions will see the weakening of Russia at the very least. Getting in to bed with China is funny. They will just smash your back doors in when the time is right. No love or loyalty there. Just opportunistic diplomacy.

As the West has decided Ukraine will defeat Russia on the battlefield, then Russia will be defeated. You may just have to get used to it and keep peddling your T54’s and T55’s to the battlefield.



posted on Apr, 21 2023 @ 02:57 PM
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a reply to: MykeNukem

OP gets the same opportunity as members.

They joined around the beginning of the conflict and have averaged 2.6 threads per day.

And to be fair, pretty much any thread topic is going to meet resistance. We all differ in opinion, this topic is probably split, and if anything I’d say more or the site is anti any US involvement.

Per the topic, I imagine China has the same contingencies if Russia collapses, and would probably celebrate it as much as the west. The only country without a contingency could very well be Russia.
edit on 21-4-2023 by CriticalStinker because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 21 2023 @ 03:54 PM
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originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: Timber13




2 - The world defeats Russia

Again which world? you mean that World which American military occupies and pushes woke agendas?


All countries not communist? Why is that so hard to understand or figure out?




Pushing people out of windows for telling truth is also bad

I am sure that isn't happening in America nor in Europe is it? because everything so prefect right?


No. We actually have laws that prevents such things. In your country, it seems like murdering the opponent IS your law. Face it. You're saturated with thugs and mob bosses. Your country is so corrupt that only criminals have positions of power. Not just petty criminals either. You guys have turned criminal organizations into a form of art like Ballet!




The only difference between East and West, the West does it differently compared to the East.


You keep on telling yourself that. The difference between East and West are Night and Day! They are NOTHING alike, other than having a lot of white people in your country. It's probably more white than any other part of the world, I would imagine but that's just a guess. Everything else is spot on.
edit on CDT5404bAmerica/ChicagoFri, 21 Apr 2023 15:54:49 -050013 by Timber13 because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 21 2023 @ 04:00 PM
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originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: Timber13




Killing people for a different opinion is bad

You mean like arresting people like Julian Assange is one prefect.

Expose to much you will be treated like Julian Assange or snowden.

Its amusing how the media is no longer is talking about Jeffrey epstein at least not the major ones, shows how much freedom they have.



You're playing word games here.

Murder and State Secrets are 2 different things entirely.

First off... Just because you think it's a great idea to give a countries secrets to the world, doesn't mean it's a great idea. I'm all for the expansion of knowledge but if a country wants to keep that secret - going after the guy who's exposing those secrets is pretty legit.

So apples and oranges here, bud.

Snowden was a traitor. Plain and simple. Even if he exposed illegal activity, what he did was illegal to boot. So one justified the other? I think not.

Assuage isn't even a citizen but we do prosecute hackers, just like your country does.


No where does any of this have to do with killing your opponent or pushing people out of windows for speaking the truth.

You're knitpicking. The scales here do not balance as you would like them to. We're talking stupidity (Us) vs EVIL (Russia). If you can't see the difference, I'm sorry. It's not me, it's you.




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