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originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Asmodeus3
Im starting to suspect your having trouble understanding the diffeence between gender roles and biological gender.
Maybe you stick to biology and let the adults deal with psychology.
which says biological sex does not dictate the gender role, but society does trough peer pressure.
which is ever changing...
You want to stop the only constant in the universe according to Einstein?
Good luck.
originally posted by: continuousThunder
here's a spicy take for you all;
how shockingly bad a parent must you be not to notice your own child changing gender? Or for your child to feel alienated enough from you to feel compelled to hide it?
your affraid of getting laid by a man that looks like a women or vice versa? that would explain alot....
What roles? When it comes to sex or matters of fact around sex and reproduction, psychology is irrelevant.
Denying biology is the same as denying reality.
originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Asmodeus3
your affraid of getting laid by a man that looks like a women or vice versa? that would explain alot....
What roles? When it comes to sex or matters of fact around sex and reproduction, psychology is irrelevant.
Denying biology is the same as denying reality.
That's so old-school Darwinism it hurts...
Not acknowledging psychology is like saying I don't want to understand how biology affects my psyche, I want to be driven by my instincts and ignorant about it...
Don't be mad if others are done being animals, I hope you don't end up in a zoo...
originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Cymatic
I wasn't really talking to you, but as you insisted...
There certainly are a couple of physical makers, and some hormone related neurochemistry that come with the biological gender and dictate some purely materialistic traits.
I hope we will soon find out where we should respect which traits as separating factors and where not.
I think it's absolutely stupid to let man compete in sports against women, there I'd say chromosomes should be defining.
Whereas in bath and locker rooms I'm of the impression that if you transitioned fully and now have a plastic surgery pussy, you should not be forced to shower with man. And if you now have a functioning penis you should not be alowed to shower with women no matter your biological sex. If you look like a women after the shower you go into the womens bathroom or locker rooms and vice versa.
But that's all biology related the roles in society are another thing.
The only role reserved to one gender is that of bearing children, heck man can even lactate.
So most of the gender specific roles and the expected behaviors are imposed by society, and they change over time....
It seems like old folks always think for the worse, whereas the youngster are all hyped about it, until their old and forgot what young was like...
I can't really expect you to understand gender roles and their importance in controlling society... it's a couple steps down of questioning yourself in relation to your percieved reality...
And it really seems to be something that just pondering, makes you uncomfortable.
originally posted by: spacedoubt
originally posted by: continuousThunder
here's a spicy take for you all;
how shockingly bad a parent must you be not to notice your own child changing gender? Or for your child to feel alienated enough from you to feel compelled to hide it?
Thank you for posting some actual common sense.
Kid changed gender and parent had no clue.
Read between the lines and the hyperbole and there is the story of a parent that is distracted by other “more important” things.
originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Asmodeus3
Yet you manage to respond to something that makes no sense to you...
that's rather telling of your true intent and integrity in this discourse.
You've proven my point beyond a doubt, it would be a miracle if you could fathom the psychology behind it.
As said stick with biology but don't get all emotional because you cant possibly understand what is triggering you so much about this topic and that makes anyone look foolish.
originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Asmodeus3
I really don't expect you to see my point, considering you're still in a very primitive mindset, it's obviously beyond your mental capacities.
Which is fine with me.
originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Cymatic
Well, that's just your opinion...
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originally posted by: Cymatic
originally posted by: Terpene
a reply to: Asmodeus3
I really don't expect you to see my point, considering you're still in a very primitive mindset, it's obviously beyond your mental capacities.
Which is fine with me.
All you've done is ramble on about how you know better than everyone else who is too stupid to understand why genders are interchangeable, and when someone brings up biological facts, you double down in your rinse n repeat. Classic cult mindset you've put on display
originally posted by: Terpene
Your assumption that they have no gender roles is actually right but you fail to see that man and women with their societal roles as described by you are gender roles too.
You are saying you want to force them to adhere to your gender roles, while I say let them explore...
I'm not in favor of medical intervention for minors at all, but I see no problem with them exploring diffrent roles...
I said very clearly that the only role that is by biology reserved to a gender is that of bearing children.
Can you give a specific example where you have never seen one gender adopt the role of the opposite?
I've seen plenty of women being the providers, hunters, etc.
What you describe is the setup that we inherited from our primitive hunter and gatherer mentality, but we have collectively overcome alot of natural adversities that forced us into certain patterns, and we dont really need them anymore.
It is true that the mental process to adapt to changing surroundings is always slower, and some will always be behind the curve.
a reply to: Asmodeus3
Can you give a specific example where you have never seen one gender adopt the role of the opposite?