Breaking update: an arrest has been made in the recent major U.S. intelligence leak

a reply to: network dude

Exactly - like, this is a distraction from that.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: putnam6

But that's more for criminals chatting on certain online games. Since everybody in the secret community would know it's all recorded and stored for two years or so.
So no, I doubt the guy was in it for anything more than feeling important.

Apologies for all the questions, just would rather discuss than listen to the talking heads

When you say secret community are you referencing the Private Message Board on Discord?

So you are suggesting an Air National Guard who was in intelligence didn't know or didn't care this was being monitored and recorded on Discord, and still dropped them for just board brownie points?

Not to mention anybody worldwide could have been part of the group it sounded as if they have contacted all members of the original private group

I think the Mail, said a few members were Ukrainian nationals.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: chiefsmom
Was it Discord they were originally leaked to?
Because I'm curious, because I know I read it on some other thread here, that they were originally leaked over 6 months ago? But apparently they weren't getting a lot of attention.
Then they were moved to some gaming sites?

The whole thing seems fishy.

I thought I heard the same thing, he put it on the members-only board and somebody else released them onto a public board

The timeline and origin is here in my thread. --> www.abovetopsecret.com...

People who 'decide' to 'spread' something like classified material around aren't common. Most people understand the concept of "trust" and the value of "honor" - even in only to mock it, or pay it lip service. Most people actually KNOW what that is... and what they claimed they would do with that trust.

TzarChasm is right... there is a large portion of the active public now that thinks it's all a plot-line contrivance from some cheesy TV show.

They won't even entertain that such a thing as a promise has any real value. Except by their own fiat.

I read an article this morning that's a little contradictory.

The leaker is a military man in his mid-20s whose primary motivation for sharing the documents was to impress an online group of young men who share his interest in guns, military gear, and video games, according to The Washington Post.
The Post interviewed a fellow participant—a teenage boy—in the Discord server where the documents first appeared. The teenage boy said the leaker goes by the name OG, which is internet slang for "original gangster."

"He's a smart person. He knew what he was doing when he posted these documents, of course. These weren't accidental leaks of any kind," the member said.

When interest in the transcripts began to wane, OG decided to publish images of the actual documents.

The teenager interviewed by the Post says he knows OG's real identity, and the paper was able to review a video of OG at a shooting range. The teenager expects he will be contacted by law enforcement but vows not to give up OG because "he was my best friend."

[reason.com...]

Some times all news outlets are on the same page reading identical scripts, and other times every story is different. It's no wonder the worls has so many conspiracy theorists.

a reply to: putnam6

No I mean people working in intelligence, foreign or national.
A dead drop requires someone to know where to pick it up. And that it's not obvious to anybody else what's going on.
So the opposite of a leak on Discord where you can't control who's going to see it.

originally posted by: Mantiss2021

I questioned whether this whole affair was a real security breach, just a counterintelligence misdirection ploy back on April 11th, and in subsequent threads,

And was roundly dismissed as being foolish for it.

Sorry I missed that.... I applaud anyone who considers ALL the possibilities, rather than the MIC-driven talking points. I happen to agree this potential must be thoroughly explored... it speaks to what we are being 'told' by use of a 'leak' which reeks political. NG reports to their Governor... why are they disseminating Pentagon "analyses."

Many red flags here for a disinformation effort in progress. But truth is, we (US citizenry) may not have been the primary target... or maybe we were...

I hate lies.... the truth is so much more powerful (and hard to contain.)

a reply to: nugget1

My understanding from early reporting was that this leak was digital... spread around via the internet with its many loose affiliations of multitudinous hobbyists and virtual socializing.

My question then was an embarrassing "How did some 13-year old online gamer get his hands on classified information?"

(see that, I assumed it was a youngster because it involved a certain kind of social internetizen....my bad... I am a gmare too, and I could be his father...) My bad indeed.

Now we know that this network of associates, which has been subsequently identified as a the source, is a benign rather naturally mundane group, and the allegation is that the perpetrator was just trying to impress his friends...

I don't know what the truth is... but I remain unwilling to accept that this 'information' actually belonged in his hands... he had to been given access to it - no? Where did he get this "Pentagon" paper? Is there a true "chain of custody" once the information goes digital. You can't really control 'virtual'... no, you can't.

originally posted by: Encia22

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: chiefsmom
Was it Discord they were originally leaked to?
Because I'm curious, because I know I read it on some other thread here, that they were originally leaked over 6 months ago? But apparently they weren't getting a lot of attention.
Then they were moved to some gaming sites?

The whole thing seems fishy.

I thought I heard the same thing, he put it on the members-only board and somebody else released them onto a public board

The timeline and origin is here in my thread. --> www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thank you I need to read the Guardian article again, to get up to speed.

FWIW this should be merged into your thread for better clarity and understanding. Im bouncing from one thread to another.

President Biden said from Ireland, this rumor of a leak is a myth that's not important, and may not even be legitimate.

Source: apnews.com...#

What a leader.

a reply to: putnam6

I'm sure this has been asked, but whatever.

How the f does this kid get his hands on these docs?

Something stinky IMO

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: putnam6

Um, some vets help be out here? The pewpew ones, not the woof woof ones.



How does a state National Guard member come across such sensitive information?

think its because the air national guard is under the jurisdiction of the airforce who are responsible for cyber stuff. he was part of such a group

A vast, global communications network is one of the many things that makes us the most powerful air force on the planet. Making sure the underlying infrastructure of this network is operating properly is the responsibility of Cyber Transport Systems specialists. Whether it's repairing a network hub at a stateside base or installing fiber-optic cable at a forward installation overseas, these experts keep our communications systems up and running and play an integral role in our continuing success.

here

got info from al jazeera website www.aljazeera.com...

originally posted by: MykeNukem
a reply to: putnam6

I'm sure this has been asked, but whatever.

How the f does this kid get his hands on these docs?

Something stinky IMO

I got more questions than answers ...

SO were supposed to believe his entire motivation was to look good on a private Discord gaming board?

one thing many people my age and up should realize is how much more i.t savvy zoomers are, they grew up raised by the Internet more than their parents in most cases and have no loyalty to American imperialism and view themselves as global citizens, no propaganda trained their minds like it did our and previous generations of Americans. blame regan for letting the media free of government control and subsequent further loosening of regulations under both bushes, clinton and obama. when the media was controlled by the government bias towards one extreme wasn't allowed, because this the Internet remains the wild west the government couldn't direct a new generation like tv and radio did in our times, the government lost its grip on information.

a reply to: Maxmars

"Red Flags"


Yes, there are a number of "red flags" on this play, not all of which are related to the leaked documents, or the means by which they were supposedly leaked.

Some the news reports I've read so far, reference (or outright quote) an article in "The Washington Post", which purports to have intviewed a teenage member of the internet group where the leaked documents were posted.

The teen interviewed identified the leaker as a member going by "O.G.", and described this "O.G." as being early to mid-20's , and had dubious views of law enforcement and the intelligence community, and would rant about 'government overreach'.


He was also described at one point (unable to re-locate reference) as a "gun-lover" who is seen in an on-line video yelling "racist and antisemitic slurs" before firing at target on a firing range.


Now, maybe my tinfoil hat is a bit too tight, but maybe, maybe....

"Somebody(ies)" trying to "Spin a Profile"?


Watch your backs....

The contest will now start of what his/hers acceptable pronouns are.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: putnam6

It's nefarious intent if you seek out contact to make sure your information is received.
He obviously didn't know what to do with it, which means at least he's not 'hired'.

I've heard the bag thing somewhere, but don't really remember where, sorry.
Also: basically all of the documents are briefings which is 'convenient', isn't it?

It sounds like it could have been a "burn bag". Supposedly, his military occupational specialty was Intelligence. As a very junior Airman, it could have been his job to collect and destroy classified documents in a burn bag. Obviously, that presents an opportunity to divert some of them.

a reply to: JinMI

How does a state National Guard member come across such sensitive information?

I can speak for my Father, his work is now declassified. Had a cool job for the early 60's.

My father served in The US Airforce from 1961 to 1965. He was stationed at Offutt AFB (later Saigon and Phillipines) and viewed keyhole satellite images from US spy satellites. His job was to identify targets (like planes with "three-c-p" on them) through cameras that could read that a mailbox had numbers on it in 1963. At 18 he had access to classified microfiche that wasn't declassified until the 1990's. If your job is in intelligence and you have a need to view classified material you will be granted clearance. And that can sometimes extend to people right out tech training.

How A Massachusetts Guardsman got access to stuff about Ukraine has an absent-minded espionage vibe. Like he went looking for stuff to be a badass online with and used whatever he could find. I have to assume his job in some way had access to the documents, and was trusted enough to be around them.

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: JinMI

How does a state National Guard member come across such sensitive information?

I can speak for my Father, his work is now declassified. Had a cool job for the early 60's.

My father served in The US Airforce from 1961 to 1965. He was stationed at Offutt AFB (later Saigon and Phillipines) and viewed keyhole satellite images from US spy satellites. His job was to identify targets (like planes with "three-c-p" on them) through cameras that could read that a mailbox had numbers on it in 1963. At 18 he had access to classified microfiche that wasn't declassified until the 1990's. If your job is in intelligence and you have a need to view classified material you will be granted clearance. And that can sometimes extend to people right out tech training.

How A Massachusetts Guardsman got access to stuff about Ukraine has an absent-minded espionage vibe. Like he went looking for stuff to be a badass online with and used whatever he could find. I have to assume his job in some way had access to the documents, and was trusted enough to be around them.

So you believe the official story, no judgment just asking questions. So we got a 21-year-old kid who is in the Air Force in intelligence, one assumes he would know the penalty if he got caught, yet he still put hundreds of classified documents online to look good for a group of people online.

Thats such a phenomenally high risk for such a low reward. More on the story, so far they aren't even saying if he had clearance or not.

nypost.com...

An airman 1st class, Teixeira held the lowest petty officer rank the Air Force grants enlisted troops.

His job – a cyber transport systems journeyman – would have had him working not in intelligence analysis, but with IT infrastructure.

So how could such a young, low-ranking troop have gotten access to so many critical secrets?
The Pentagon regularly issues security clearances to troops as young as 18.
Some service members require security clearances as soon as they join the military, Pentagon spokesman Air Force Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder said Thursday.

“Depending on your position, you may require a security clearance,” Ryder said. “If you are working in the intelligence community and you require a security clearance, you’re going to go through the proper vetting,”

Even in his low position – just two ranks above newly enlisted airmen – Teixeira’s job specialty may have required a clearance.

Cyber transport systems journeymen can require higher clearance levels
Though officials have not said whether Teixeira had a security clearance, his job as a cyber transport systems journeymen (CTSJ) may have required him to work with and protect sensitive communication channels.

That’s because CTSJs are the Air Force’s “frontline technicians and trainers,” keeping up the infrastructure of the military’s most advanced cyber networks, which are used to securely send and receive highly sensitive information.

“[CTSJs] enhance our capabilities and provide us with the best and most secure systems so we can stay ahead of the curve in everything we do,” the Air Force says in its online description of the occupation.

His unit may have required access to foreign intelligence
Though it’s unclear why a cyber transport systems journeyman would have the need to know highly sensitive intelligence, it’s possible Teixeira’s work with the Air National Guard’s 102nd Intelligence Wing required him to have access to the sensitive channels, if not to the actual intelligence shared within.

Though Ryder declined to say Thursday whether Teixeira’s unit was assigned to support US efforts to help Ukraine, the 102nd provides intelligence for airmen assigned to both domestic and foreign US military efforts.

“Our mission is to provide worldwide precision intelligence and command and control along with trained and experienced Airmen for expeditionary combat support and homeland security,” the 102nd states on its website.

With that mission set, it is possible the 102nd could have been tasked with providing Ukraine-related intelligence.

a reply to: Peeple
What do you mean pre-made bag?