Why do Christians Believe that Politicians are doing God’s Work ?

Your assertions by you are so oversimplified that nothing makes sense by you or by the replies to you.

Your attempts to establish the parameters so as to only result in the answer you presupposed.

You deny from the beginning cultural changes from then till now as well as the cultural conditions of that period.

Are you referring to patrician rights to vote or plebeian?
When the scriptures you are referencing were written it was at the end of the dispensation of the Law through Moses and the beginning of Grace which supercedes law offering life instead of judgement and death.
2000 years later society was so influenced by grace that laws that were written upon hearts have transpired into self rule and liberty.
So much so that mandates to do what is right means to insure liberty by insuring self rule is protected in free, fair and transparent elections where our representation is expressed properly where either evil leaders rule or righteousness is free to flourish under just and good leaders.

But just as it was at the end of that dispensation where law was the introduction to grace where we knew right from wrong and could choose because of conscience and self rule it is clear our hearts are bound by the flesh that rules us like an evil self serving ruler.

Just as scripture declared this has lead to men doing what they see fit in their own eyes and in rebellion call evil good, and good as evil where men reject women for men.

Your premise is outdated by 2000 years but is relevant in seeing how corrupt mens hearts are when grace is rejected and our hearts become hardened.

Christ prepared men for the dispensation of Grace where our bonds to Father were expressed as Father to sons and daughters.
Voting became an expression of our abilities to self rule knowing within our hearts what is right and wrong as opposed to the previous dispensation where we were taught the law.

There is a time coming soon where the Paraclete in the Ruach haKodesh is removed and the law will be judged and men will be accountable for it's political systems.
Patrician and plebeian alike.

This to pave way for the next dispensation in the Kingdom age where Christ Himself will rule amongst men and the true King, the Conqueror of death will reign for 1000 years with both law and grace become manifold in our spirit.

You see where you err is in willingly you can only do what is right in your own eyes and cannot read and hear what the scriptures you present mean and say.

This experiment in self rule in America brought us so close but so easily allowed our flesh to lead us so far away that evil began to flourish instead of being quashed.
And in this we have evil leaders as per all your points and scriptural evidence.

We suck at self rule when we govern ourselves by fleshly lusts rather than by Spirit.
That is all that you have proven.
But prophecy of this age is not your agenda but instead something something hypocrisy something you are subjects something...

It is not that we vote or not, as was not really a thing except if you lived in a small province and were a Roman citizen, but what have we done with grace and in knowing?

Imagine what kind of leaders will emerge when the Holy Spirit is removed and the Law of Moses returned with the sacrifices for sins.

Nah..
Come soon Father, come soon.

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Your premise is flawed in presuming that all Christians think and feel the same.

There are probably some Christians who think and feel the way you describe, but it's not all Christians. You'll have to ask those Christians, not any Christian or all Christians.

For myself, I don't trust politicians and I don't think there's anyone out there to save us. That's not how our Constitutional Republic is supposed to work. WE are the government... of the people, by the people and for the people. Voting is just one way that the people participate in governance.

This does not violate any of Jesus' teachings.

www.openbible.info... It’s not some Christians Im on about, it’s their book of rules . Read the list in the linkn

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

So you don’t believe or support the 1st Amendment.

Kay

You are mixing made made rules up with biblical teachings. Im not a Christian in any worldly definition & yes in America there is a 1A .
If tomorrow there is no 1A , the role of a Christian according to the whole Bible would to be submissive to that law .
You know just as the Bible teaches : here is a list that supports my stance . www.openbible.info...

I don't think you are familiar with the Bill of Rights.

They restrict government, not people.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

So you don’t believe or support the 1st Amendment.

Kay

You are mixing made made rules up with biblical teachings. Im not a Christian in any worldly definition & yes in America there is a 1A .
If tomorrow there is no 1A , the role of a Christian according to the whole Bible would to be submissive to that law .
You know just as the Bible teaches : here is a list that supports my stance . www.openbible.info...

I don't think you are familiar with the Bill of Rights.

They restrict government, not people.

You are two islands over in this debate. You are arguing things that are not part of my question. It’s about Christian’s & what their bible calls them to do through god . It has nothing to do with a right they have or don’t have in men’s laws.

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

So you don’t believe or support the 1st Amendment.

Kay

You are mixing made made rules up with biblical teachings. Im not a Christian in any worldly definition & yes in America there is a 1A .
If tomorrow there is no 1A , the role of a Christian according to the whole Bible would to be submissive to that law .
You know just as the Bible teaches : here is a list that supports my stance . www.openbible.info...

I don't think you are familiar with the Bill of Rights.

They restrict government, not people.

You are two islands over in this debate. You are arguing things that are not part of my question. It’s about Christian’s & what their bible calls them to do through god . It has nothing to do with a right they have or don’t have in men’s laws.

Who do you know that speaks for all Christians?

No you are getting the analogy wrong.
You are stuck 2000 years ago without recognizing the progression.

The King James Bible, the Gutenberg press, the Magne Carte, the New world, the declaration of Independence, Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

You know, man's execution of divine plans.

Growth

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

So you don’t believe or support the 1st Amendment.

Kay

You are mixing made made rules up with biblical teachings. Im not a Christian in any worldly definition & yes in America there is a 1A .
If tomorrow there is no 1A , the role of a Christian according to the whole Bible would to be submissive to that law .
You know just as the Bible teaches : here is a list that supports my stance . www.openbible.info...

I don't think you are familiar with the Bill of Rights.

They restrict government, not people.

You are two islands over in this debate. You are arguing things that are not part of my question. It’s about Christian’s & what their bible calls them to do through god . It has nothing to do with a right they have or don’t have in men’s laws.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

So you don’t believe or support the 1st Amendment.

Kay

You are mixing made made rules up with biblical teachings. Im not a Christian in any worldly definition & yes in America there is a 1A .
If tomorrow there is no 1A , the role of a Christian according to the whole Bible would to be submissive to that law .
You know just as the Bible teaches : here is a list that supports my stance . www.openbible.info...

I don't think you are familiar with the Bill of Rights.

They restrict government, not people.

You are two islands over in this debate. You are arguing things that are not part of my question. It’s about Christian’s & what their bible calls them to do through god . It has nothing to do with a right they have or don’t have in men’s laws.

Who do you know that speaks for all Christians?

The very book that unites them all is very clear about submitting to authority wether it is good or bad that our rulers do . Read the bible & you tell me DB .
So by default if you call yourself a Christian , then the Bible speaks for you . You are confusing your will vs what god told you in his bible that he made sure was the true authoritative word of himself.

originally posted by: Nevercompromise
No you are getting the analogy wrong.
You are stuck 2000 years ago without recognizing the progression.

The King James Bible, the Gutenberg press, the Magne Carte, the New world, the declaration of Independence, Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

You know, man's execution of divine plans.

Growth

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

So you don’t believe or support the 1st Amendment.

Kay

You are mixing made made rules up with biblical teachings. Im not a Christian in any worldly definition & yes in America there is a 1A .
If tomorrow there is no 1A , the role of a Christian according to the whole Bible would to be submissive to that law .
You know just as the Bible teaches : here is a list that supports my stance . www.openbible.info...

I don't think you are familiar with the Bill of Rights.

They restrict government, not people.

You are two islands over in this debate. You are arguing things that are not part of my question. It’s about Christian’s & what their bible calls them to do through god . It has nothing to do with a right they have or don’t have in men’s laws.

All of those are man made rules & advancements .
The bible is crystal clear about staying out of politics & submission to even horrible rulers .
The bible & god don’t progress or change .
Sorry that you disagree with your bible , but if that is case , then there is nothing left for me to say to you.

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

So you don’t believe or support the 1st Amendment.

Kay

You are mixing made made rules up with biblical teachings. Im not a Christian in any worldly definition & yes in America there is a 1A .
If tomorrow there is no 1A , the role of a Christian according to the whole Bible would to be submissive to that law .
You know just as the Bible teaches : here is a list that supports my stance . www.openbible.info...

I don't think you are familiar with the Bill of Rights.

They restrict government, not people.

You are two islands over in this debate. You are arguing things that are not part of my question. It’s about Christian’s & what their bible calls them to do through god . It has nothing to do with a right they have or don’t have in men’s laws.

Who do you know that speaks for all Christians?

The very book that unites them all is very clear about submitting to authority wether it is good or bad that our rulers do . Read the bible & you tell me DB .
So by default if you call yourself a Christian , then the Bible speaks for you . You are confusing your will vs what god told you in his bible that he made sure was the true authoritative word of himself.

No.

You don't get to determine my faith or how I interpret it.

a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat

he Judeochristian culture did self reflecting and amending of beliefs as discoveries were made and the enlightenment gave everyone equal dignity and worth.

Except for homosexuals and any other fringe lifestyle. They also gave pedophiles equal dignity and worth by sheltering them in the catholic church.

Society would have been fine without christianity. We made progress because we learned new technologies and societal practices.

And if you want to say, well religions helped control and bring people together. Well, yea. Any religion would have done the job. This notion that christianity introduced "equality" is just nonsense because all christian nations persecuted others.

I disagree wholeheartedly of your misinterpretation of the Bible.
What did Yahshua attempt to teach about politics when he sat down in the Temple marketplace and took the time to make a whip, not just bringing one, but make it.
And then get up and turn over all the tables and forcefully using the whip to drive out the merchants?
Somehow you missed the growth of society due to this disruption the last 2000 years and want us back to dark ages mentality.
Women vote now

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: Nevercompromise
No you are getting the analogy wrong.
You are stuck 2000 years ago without recognizing the progression.

The King James Bible, the Gutenberg press, the Magne Carte, the New world, the declaration of Independence, Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

You know, man's execution of divine plans.

Growth

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

So you don’t believe or support the 1st Amendment.

Kay

You are mixing made made rules up with biblical teachings. Im not a Christian in any worldly definition & yes in America there is a 1A .
If tomorrow there is no 1A , the role of a Christian according to the whole Bible would to be submissive to that law .
You know just as the Bible teaches : here is a list that supports my stance . www.openbible.info...

I don't think you are familiar with the Bill of Rights.

They restrict government, not people.

You are two islands over in this debate. You are arguing things that are not part of my question. It’s about Christian’s & what their bible calls them to do through god . It has nothing to do with a right they have or don’t have in men’s laws.

All of those are man made rules & advancements .
The bible is crystal clear about staying out of politics & submission to even horrible rulers .
The bible & god don’t progress or change .
Sorry that you disagree with your bible , but if that is case , then there is nothing left for me to say to you.

a reply to: SecrettoSociety

we do NOT live in a Christian country....
IT IS SECULAR.... taken over by EVIL PEOPLE

jim jones really did try to live in commune like
Jesus wanted us to, but,...

after fighting the communists for 50 years
all around the world....

there was NO F'in WAY the united states government
was gonna allow him to have a commune and
especially have RICH AMERICANS sell everything
and go live with him ON AMERICAN SOIL!

so they moved to guyana to start one,
but when prominent americans started to show up
a senator and cia went to collect someones daughter

although killing yourself is a sin,
those 1000 people would
RATHER DIE THAN GO BACK TO CAPITALISTIC
CONSUMERISM IN AMERICA

you gotta watch his documentary.

but as i understand it, we all are supposed to be
living in monestarys, doing GODS WORK ONLY
growing our food, not working for money
like we all used to before the romans and british
enslaved everyone forcing us to work all week,... EVERY WEEK

a reply to: SecrettoSociety

It’s not some Christians Im on about, it’s their book of rules . Read the list in the linkn

I'm not sure how to answer without derailing from your original question... but you seem to be doing that yourself.

Generally speaking, the case you're making conflates and/or confuses the concepts of communism (imposed), communalism (chosen), and monasticism (calling).

You also seem to have a very rigid understanding of Christianity, and therefore Christians, that limits your perspective. A great discussion could be had regarding different interpretations and understanding of scripture in this regard.

But that can only happen if they aren't being told that only one interpretation is the right one for Christians.

Funny thing but it was Christians fleeing the persecution and tyranny of other Christians that founded the colonies that became this nation. Hence, our religious freedom enumerated and enshrined in the first amendment of the Bill of Rights.

Because it really is that important.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

So you don’t believe or support the 1st Amendment.

Kay

You are mixing made made rules up with biblical teachings. Im not a Christian in any worldly definition & yes in America there is a 1A .
If tomorrow there is no 1A , the role of a Christian according to the whole Bible would to be submissive to that law .
You know just as the Bible teaches : here is a list that supports my stance . www.openbible.info...

I don't think you are familiar with the Bill of Rights.

They restrict government, not people.

You are two islands over in this debate. You are arguing things that are not part of my question. It’s about Christian’s & what their bible calls them to do through god . It has nothing to do with a right they have or don’t have in men’s laws.

Who do you know that speaks for all Christians?

The very book that unites them all is very clear about submitting to authority wether it is good or bad that our rulers do . Read the bible & you tell me DB .
So by default if you call yourself a Christian , then the Bible speaks for you . You are confusing your will vs what god told you in his bible that he made sure was the true authoritative word of himself.

No.

You don't get to determine my faith or how I interpret it.

how you interpret is the problem.

originally posted by: Nevercompromise
I disagree wholeheartedly of your misinterpretation of the Bible.
What did Yahshua attempt to teach about politics when he sat down in the Temple marketplace and took the time to make a whip, not just bringing one, but make it.
And then get up and turn over all the tables and forcefully using the whip to drive out the merchants?
Somehow you missed the growth of society due to this disruption the last 2000 years and want us back to dark ages mentality.
Women vote now

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: Nevercompromise
No you are getting the analogy wrong.
You are stuck 2000 years ago without recognizing the progression.

The King James Bible, the Gutenberg press, the Magne Carte, the New world, the declaration of Independence, Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

You know, man's execution of divine plans.

Growth

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

So you don’t believe or support the 1st Amendment.

Kay

You are mixing made made rules up with biblical teachings. Im not a Christian in any worldly definition & yes in America there is a 1A .
If tomorrow there is no 1A , the role of a Christian according to the whole Bible would to be submissive to that law .
You know just as the Bible teaches : here is a list that supports my stance . www.openbible.info...

I don't think you are familiar with the Bill of Rights.

They restrict government, not people.

You are two islands over in this debate. You are arguing things that are not part of my question. It’s about Christian’s & what their bible calls them to do through god . It has nothing to do with a right they have or don’t have in men’s laws.

All of those are man made rules & advancements .
The bible is crystal clear about staying out of politics & submission to even horrible rulers .
The bible & god don’t progress or change .
Sorry that you disagree with your bible , but if that is case , then there is nothing left for me to say to you.

You can disagree all you like , but the incident in the temple was a religious on & NOT a Roman rule issue .
It is unbelievable how little people understand about scripture. Im not a Christian anymore, but there are universal acceptances of theology , and when Jesus whipped the greedy temple priests tell me how that was a critique of Roman government.
I won’t respond to your answer. I won’t debate with sola-scriptura beliefs. Read the words & commentary of the men who formed the bible . They are called the Ancient Church Fathers .

originally posted by: cappie
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

we do NOT live in a Christian country....
IT IS SECULAR.... taken over by EVIL PEOPLE

jim jones really did try to live in commune like
Jesus wanted us to, but,...

after fighting the communists for 50 years
all around the world....

there was NO F'in WAY the united states government
was gonna allow him to have a commune and
especially have RICH AMERICANS sell everything
and go live with him ON AMERICAN SOIL!

so they moved to guyana to start one,
but when prominent americans started to show up
a senator and cia went to collect someones daughter

although killing yourself is a sin,
those 1000 people would
RATHER DIE THAN GO BACK TO CAPITALISTIC
CONSUMERISM IN AMERICA

you gotta watch his documentary.

but as i understand it, we all are supposed to be
living in monestarys, doing GODS WORK ONLY
growing our food, not working for money
like we all used to before the romans and british
enslaved everyone forcing us to work all week,... EVERY WEEK

The Amish understand what Christ taught .

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

It’s not some Christians Im on about, it’s their book of rules . Read the list in the linkn

I'm not sure how to answer without derailing from your original question... but you seem to be doing that yourself.

Generally speaking, the case you're making conflates and/or confuses the concepts of communism (imposed), communalism (chosen), and monasticism (calling).

You also seem to have a very rigid understanding of Christianity, and therefore Christians, that limits your perspective. A great discussion could be had regarding different interpretations and understanding of scripture in this regard.

But that can only happen if they aren't being told that only one interpretation is the right one for Christians.

Funny thing but it was Christians fleeing the persecution and tyranny of other Christians that founded the colonies that became this nation. Hence, our religious freedom enumerated and enshrined in the first amendment of the Bill of Rights.

Because it really is that important.

Our founding fathers fled out of greed & the pilgrims out of persecution.

He ran the merchants out from the temple, who turned it into a marketplace and engaged in usury and money manipulation in currency exchanges.

You are biblically illiterate and do not understand what you read.
Which is why you insist upon everyone only accepting your stringent and tunnel focused interpretation.

The laws of today are all about commerce.
Our politicians are all about commerce.

You would not know the difference between a pharisee, a saducee, a kenite or Edomite.
Your interpretation is way more pre-supposition than discernment and you seek only confirmation of your pre-supposition.

And your opinion leaves you empty for honest and fruitful discussion.

You are found lacking

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: Nevercompromise
I disagree wholeheartedly of your misinterpretation of the Bible.
What did Yahshua attempt to teach about politics when he sat down in the Temple marketplace and took the time to make a whip, not just bringing one, but make it.
And then get up and turn over all the tables and forcefully using the whip to drive out the merchants?
Somehow you missed the growth of society due to this disruption the last 2000 years and want us back to dark ages mentality.
Women vote now

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: Nevercompromise
No you are getting the analogy wrong.
You are stuck 2000 years ago without recognizing the progression.

The King James Bible, the Gutenberg press, the Magne Carte, the New world, the declaration of Independence, Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

You know, man's execution of divine plans.

Growth

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

So you don’t believe or support the 1st Amendment.

Kay

You are mixing made made rules up with biblical teachings. Im not a Christian in any worldly definition & yes in America there is a 1A .
If tomorrow there is no 1A , the role of a Christian according to the whole Bible would to be submissive to that law .
You know just as the Bible teaches : here is a list that supports my stance . www.openbible.info...

I don't think you are familiar with the Bill of Rights.

They restrict government, not people.

You are two islands over in this debate. You are arguing things that are not part of my question. It’s about Christian’s & what their bible calls them to do through god . It has nothing to do with a right they have or don’t have in men’s laws.

All of those are man made rules & advancements .
The bible is crystal clear about staying out of politics & submission to even horrible rulers .
The bible & god don’t progress or change .
Sorry that you disagree with your bible , but if that is case , then there is nothing left for me to say to you.

You can disagree all you like , but the incident in the temple was a religious on & NOT a Roman rule issue .
It is unbelievable how little people understand about scripture. Im not a Christian anymore, but there are universal acceptances of theology , and when Jesus whipped the greedy temple priests tell me how that was a critique of Roman government.
I won’t respond to your answer. I won’t debate with sola-scriptura beliefs. Read the words & commentary of the men who formed the bible . They are called the Ancient Church Fathers .

a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Our founding fathers fled out of greed & the pilgrims out of persecution.

Yes, it was the early Colonists who fled the religious persecution of Europe, and it was the Founding Fathers who incorporated those rights into the founding documents.

I wouldn't say the Founding Fathers fled from anyone or anywhere or anything.

I get the feeling that's you don't really want a discussion, and you don't want to hear or consider any different thoughts or ideas. You just want to beat folks over the head for not Christianing right. I'm not here for that so I'm bowing out now.

Good luck.

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

So you don’t believe or support the 1st Amendment.

Kay

You are mixing made made rules up with biblical teachings. Im not a Christian in any worldly definition & yes in America there is a 1A .
If tomorrow there is no 1A , the role of a Christian according to the whole Bible would to be submissive to that law .
You know just as the Bible teaches : here is a list that supports my stance . www.openbible.info...

I don't think you are familiar with the Bill of Rights.

They restrict government, not people.

You are two islands over in this debate. You are arguing things that are not part of my question. It’s about Christian’s & what their bible calls them to do through god . It has nothing to do with a right they have or don’t have in men’s laws.

Who do you know that speaks for all Christians?

The very book that unites them all is very clear about submitting to authority wether it is good or bad that our rulers do . Read the bible & you tell me DB .
So by default if you call yourself a Christian , then the Bible speaks for you . You are confusing your will vs what god told you in his bible that he made sure was the true authoritative word of himself.

No.

You don't get to determine my faith or how I interpret it.

how you interpret is the problem.

I am so glad you are here to tell me how to interpret my faith.

*whew*

originally posted by: Nevercompromise
He ran the merchants out from the temple, who turned it into a marketplace and engaged in usury and money manipulation in currency exchanges.

You are biblically illiterate and do not understand what you read.
Which is why you insist upon everyone only accepting your stringent and tunnel focused interpretation.

The laws of today are all about commerce.
Our politicians are all about commerce.

You would not know the difference between a pharisee, a saducee, a kenite or Edomite.
Your interpretation is way more pre-supposition than discernment and you seek only confirmation of your pre-supposition.

And your opinion leaves you empty for honest and fruitful discussion.

You are found lacking

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: Nevercompromise
I disagree wholeheartedly of your misinterpretation of the Bible.
What did Yahshua attempt to teach about politics when he sat down in the Temple marketplace and took the time to make a whip, not just bringing one, but make it.
And then get up and turn over all the tables and forcefully using the whip to drive out the merchants?
Somehow you missed the growth of society due to this disruption the last 2000 years and want us back to dark ages mentality.
Women vote now

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: Nevercompromise
No you are getting the analogy wrong.
You are stuck 2000 years ago without recognizing the progression.

The King James Bible, the Gutenberg press, the Magne Carte, the New world, the declaration of Independence, Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

You know, man's execution of divine plans.

Growth

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

So you don’t believe or support the 1st Amendment.

Kay

You are mixing made made rules up with biblical teachings. Im not a Christian in any worldly definition & yes in America there is a 1A .
If tomorrow there is no 1A , the role of a Christian according to the whole Bible would to be submissive to that law .
You know just as the Bible teaches : here is a list that supports my stance . www.openbible.info...

I don't think you are familiar with the Bill of Rights.

They restrict government, not people.

You are two islands over in this debate. You are arguing things that are not part of my question. It’s about Christian’s & what their bible calls them to do through god . It has nothing to do with a right they have or don’t have in men’s laws.

All of those are man made rules & advancements .
The bible is crystal clear about staying out of politics & submission to even horrible rulers .
The bible & god don’t progress or change .
Sorry that you disagree with your bible , but if that is case , then there is nothing left for me to say to you.

You can disagree all you like , but the incident in the temple was a religious on & NOT a Roman rule issue .
It is unbelievable how little people understand about scripture. Im not a Christian anymore, but there are universal acceptances of theology , and when Jesus whipped the greedy temple priests tell me how that was a critique of Roman government.
I won’t respond to your answer. I won’t debate with sola-scriptura beliefs. Read the words & commentary of the men who formed the bible . They are called the Ancient Church Fathers .

I have a masters in Patristics.