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Why do Christians Believe that Politicians are doing God’s Work ?

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posted on Apr, 6 2023 @ 04:30 PM
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I find it interesting that the evil communist left can "preach" their beliefs from the pulpits of inner-city churches.



posted on Apr, 6 2023 @ 04:31 PM
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originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: network dude
can you show where you got this information from that "Christians" think this way?
70% of Americans identified as Christian in 2022 . Now if we take 50% of them and assume they vote , that is a huge number. The Christian right votes heavier than most other Christian groups.


Right. So by appearing christian and letting your voters know how "christian" you are can give a huge boost to your numbers. Just look at how Trump became friends with evangelicals.

Unfortunately, religion plays a huge role in how people vote. I'd doubt a buddhist, muslim, or hindu could get elected to POTUS.

Let's face it, many voters aren't very intelligent voters. Those voters tend to vote on simplistic means like religion.



posted on Apr, 6 2023 @ 04:33 PM
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originally posted by: incoserv
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

If we lived in a perfect world, it'd be different. We don't. We lived in a world corrupted by sin, wickedness and selfish ambition.

There's no biblical mandate for total disengagement. Paul did say that magistrates are appointed by God for the maintenance of order. This didn't mean that all politicians do "God's work" (whatever that means); it means that systems of government are in place in human society for the benefit of society, or at least should be. It doesn't mean that every single magistrate is godly. There are instances when tyranny should be resisted, and it falls on the shoulders of good and decent men to resist.

One of the marks of the Christian faith is the liberty that the scriptures grant to disciples of Christ, liberty to interpret and practice certain non-essential issue according to one's light, understanding and convictions. There are some things that theologically and biblically non-negotiable, but things like you mention are not clearly delineated in scripture. You are essentially pulling laws and rules out of your butt.

If you feel the conviction to disengage, I can respect that. If one feels the conviction to engage for the betterment of society, I respect that, as well.

Granted, making an idol out of politics and politicians is sin, and the extreme religious right has been guilty of that. I've always said that the "Moral Majority" was neither very moral nor was it a majority. Too often, church leaders look to the temporal power of politics instead the eternal sovereignty of God to resolve their issues, making pleas and paying obeisance to the people in power instead of the True Power, but to place your own convictions (if indeed they are your true heartfelt convictions) on the entire body of believers is as both arrogant and unscriptural as their opposite extreme.

You would do well to understand 2,000 years of church history, where the catholic (small "c'" not Roman) church had gotten it wrong and where is gotten it right. There certainly is no single one-size-fits-all answer, as you seem to think that there should be.

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20 plus years I was in the Eastern Orthodox Church ( Russian ) and Im extremely well read on church history & the ancient church fathers including the western ones as well .



posted on Apr, 6 2023 @ 04:41 PM
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originally posted by: amicusbrief
When putting forth opinions assumptions must be made so here are mine:
I personally prescribe to the idea that originally the nations and regions were ascribed to "principalities and powers" as per scripture and other ancient texts.
I also lean on the New Testament idea that GOD does oversee the rulers of the nations....yes even the evil ones.. (remember the GOD used Babylon as tool as well)
I also believe that each of us have a choice to make in how involved we are in the society in which we live...that whole free will thing and all....
If you choose to withdraw and devote your life to prayer and study....as the Essenes did.....then awesome but don't disparage those who either choose to or are perhaps called to be engaged....I like the hands and feet of GOD analogy
I don’t disparage Christians for voting, do whatcha yah like .
I just find it a moral issue when Christians believe someone in politics is doing Gods work , like many MAGA people do . Im also confused at how Jews & Roman Catholics in huge numbers for politicians who are trying to eradicate their faiths from society.
Do you think God called people into politics ?
Look at Doug Coe & his sick bunch that had & have control of much in the GOP , or the Pelosi Catholic types ?



posted on Apr, 6 2023 @ 04:43 PM
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originally posted by: Maxmars
Secret to Society, Let me assure you that your choice of forum to post this thread cannot be said to be "wrong." The forum itself implies the tone and approach from which you wish to discuss the OP. Members are most likely to respect that 'filter,' although some might be inclined to reject the constraint... but that is not on you.

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I don't think it is true, as the OP's choice of title implies; that Christians believe that politicians are doing God’s work?

I'm sure that some Christians can believe that, if they so choose. But truthfully, is it not that some people "say" that to endorse and support their "chosen" political celebrity? Further, it is not more likely that it is more a matter of the media amplifying those that say this very personal opinion, to one effect or it's opposite?

The Christian faith is particularly distinct in that those embracing it are free to make choices about political standing without the pressure of an indoctrinated clergy to dictate their choices (with some notable exceptions, of course.)

The biggest wrinkle in all this, in my opinion, is that people tend to be socially compliant... much to the chagrin of many politically infused ideologues... (or most ideologues for that matter) Christians will listen to each other and the politically inspired will 'use' that perspective to call others to agree...

While Christ was clear about the nature of the political establishment and it's relationship to the faithful, it seems often taken for granted that the politically described "good" does not automatically make it "God's" work... even if the partisans of Christian faith say it is.

Follow the heart, not the clamor of the crowd.
Well said



posted on Apr, 6 2023 @ 04:45 PM
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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Your premise is flawed in presuming that all Christians think and feel the same.

There are probably some Christians who think and feel the way you describe, but it's not all Christians. You'll have to ask those Christians, not any Christian or all Christians.

For myself, I don't trust politicians and I don't think there's anyone out there to save us. That's not how our Constitutional Republic is supposed to work. WE are the government... of the people, by the people and for the people. Voting is just one way that the people participate in governance.

This does not violate any of Jesus' teachings.
I am asking all Christians & not accusing all Christians of anything.



posted on Apr, 6 2023 @ 04:47 PM
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a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Why is it that the evil communist left can "preach" their beliefs from the pulpits of inner-city churches without criticism?



posted on Apr, 6 2023 @ 04:48 PM
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originally posted by: Untun

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

How could you vote for anyone & still think you are doing god’s will ?




You either vote, become president yourself, or go against the situation and destroy your country.

There are no laws against the fruits of the spirit so everything you do that is approved by God is no harrasment to your people. A country full of people causing chaos must be ruled strictly by its king. A country made peaceful by its citizens does not anger your king.
What politician is trying to save our Country over their personal desires first & don’t even say Trump , because that man is very foul just like Biden.



posted on Apr, 6 2023 @ 04:50 PM
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originally posted by: schuyler
I have some German belt buckles from WWII. Most of them were cut off the belts themselves with some of the belts remaining. It's pretty gruesome to think about. I suspect they were cut off corpses, but I do not know that for sure. These were from common German soldiers fighting for the Fatherland. They weren't part of the Nazi SS or anything like that. But the buckles all had a saying engraved in brass:

Gott ist mit uns.

You don't need that translated do you? But it does show one thing. Everyone thinks God is on their side.
My point exactly. God is not on the side of any leader or person. We move towards God through private means without help from others .?



posted on Apr, 6 2023 @ 04:55 PM
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originally posted by: Cymatic
Typical strawman. I've never met a single Christian that thinks politicians are doing God's work. Maybe you are basing that off msm opinions and mega church tv pastors.
Million of Christians believe that voting for candidates that oppose pro choice is a Christian duty & those same candidates vote for endless wars & capital punishment.
It’s hypocrisy



posted on Apr, 6 2023 @ 04:58 PM
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originally posted by: namehere
because the essence of democracy is free will which is a core tenet of abrahamic religions, its why sin is a thing, why you ask forgiveness, etc, .
Our founding Christian fathers exercised free will in owning slaves and treating them like animals.
That kind of free will in a Democracy ?



posted on Apr, 6 2023 @ 05:00 PM
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originally posted by: Turquosie
a reply to: AlexandrosTheGreat

Did the judeochristian mindset also help them to burn witches, go on crusades, and ravage towns of non-beleivers?

Christianity helped pushed society foward because it helped to control the masses. Sure, things got accomplished. But many people died terrible deaths at the hands of christians.

So let's not forget that as well.
True words



posted on Apr, 6 2023 @ 05:02 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Why is it that the evil communist left can "preach" their beliefs from the pulpits of inner-city churches without criticism?
Because of fear from the wokesters is why .?



posted on Apr, 6 2023 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: Turquosie

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: network dude
can you show where you got this information from that "Christians" think this way?
70% of Americans identified as Christian in 2022 . Now if we take 50% of them and assume they vote , that is a huge number. The Christian right votes heavier than most other Christian groups.


Right. So by appearing christian and letting your voters know how "christian" you are can give a huge boost to your numbers. Just look at how Trump became friends with evangelicals.

Unfortunately, religion plays a huge role in how people vote. I'd doubt a buddhist, muslim, or hindu could get elected to POTUS.

Let's face it, many voters aren't very intelligent voters. Those voters tend to vote on simplistic means like religion.

Trump sure duped the evangelicals into believing he was on a crusade from God , just after he is done running swimsuit competitions & sleeping with pornstars . Trump is as evangelical as Biden is Catholic.



posted on Apr, 6 2023 @ 05:08 PM
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originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Why is it that the evil communist left can "preach" their beliefs from the pulpits of inner-city churches without criticism?
Because of fear from the wokesters is why .?


You aren't making any sense.



posted on Apr, 6 2023 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: The2Billies
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

As a strong Christian I actually don't trust most politicians and find at a minimum 50% of them to be Christophobic and downright hostile toward Christians and Christianity. There is no way I think they are doing the will of God.

I think the Democratic Party and liberals in general have clearly demonstrated they are Christophobic openly and often by the laws/regulations/policies they are forcing on the nation which are clearly anti-Christian in nature and content

for example:
..making it mandatory to put convicted transgender rapists in a women's prison and punishing women with vagina's who complain about being locked in a cell with one. This HAS resulted in verified rape and pregnancies.
..making laws and school policies that mandate teaching 5 year olds about masturbation and middle school children about "fisting/blood play/ and anal sex
...making laws and school policies that mandate teachers lie and deceive parents and encourage children to lie to and deceive their parents if the school thinks the parents may object to what they are doing to their children
...naming more women with a penis "woman of the year" in various occupations, etc. than women with vaginas, thus telling women and girls with vaginas that to become "woman of the year" you must have a penis
...insisting that bombing pregnancy clinics and vandalizing churches is an appropriate way to protest the new laws in the US regarding abortion
...insisting that rioting, looting, burning cities is a type of love for the people that will bring about justice and equity
...insisting and making it law in some states that a healthy person with a uterus carrying a full term 40 week old healthy fetus must be able to abort at will thus killing the viable and healthy infant
... I could go on but you get the gist...

If anything the party in power making these laws is Christophobic and encouraging hate for Christians and Christianity. So NO many Christians these days find many politicians to be the source of the evil covering our nation today.

When it comes to Republicans, there are many, too many of them that support the above and those I also think are Christiophobic and encouraging evil in our nation as part of the "new morality" that is being forced on us with an "you think, speak, do as we say OR ELSE!" behavior by liberals and some Republicans too.

I think Christophobia is as evil and repulsive as Homophobia, Islamophoia, and Transphobia. But many politicians think Christophobia is justifed and behave accordingly. So NO I don't think they are doing the will of God, but rather the will of selfish and evil people.


I think Jesus' mission was about forgiveness for true repentance, and not about making a big thing about others non-adherence to Mosaic law.


This is more than non-adherence to Mosaic law.

The liberal Democrats have outright rejected Christianity, the 10 commandments outright.
Even do not steal since CA allows people to steal up to $999 worth of stuff and even break into someone's home as long as no one is hurt, with a penalty of basically a parking ticket.
Even do not lie since Teachers in public schools are now forced by school boards and law in some places to encourage children to lie and deceive.
Even honor your father and mother, since schools are now assuming parents won't agree with what they are doing to children in public schools and so are mandating teachers lie and deceive the parents and teach the children they need to lie and deceive their parents.

I can not support things that are blatantly immoral on the order of Sodom. Support of early sexualization of vulnerable children. Deep misogyny that is shown in the contempt for women with vaginas who feel vulnerable around naked penis' and they are punished for saying they feel vulnerable, that and the huge support for women with a penis as superior women who are role models for women and girls with vaginas. Go back and read my list.

This is not just non-adherence, it is the outright promotion of evil as good. They will not repent, they are pushing and trying to force on everyone their idea of morality is actually Sodom and Gomorrah style immorality. Especially the push in states by Democrats to make legal the abortion for a healthy birthing person carrying a healthy 39-40 week fetus that can not only survive but thrive outside the womb. Especially teaching 11 year olds the "how to" of unhealthy sex as healthy and normal (fisting which can destroy sphincters and tear vagina's, blood play which is unhealthy on many health related levels, anal intercourse which destroys the sphincter)

I can forgive them, but never ever have to support or forget them trying to force on the people of the US their evil ideology. I will remain gentle as a dove and wise as a serpent, and can clearly see the evil they promote daily. Like support for rioting, looting, burning cities, and calling it a form of love. Nope. Christ never told me to support evil or to support any leaders who encourage and actually promote evil.

Sorry dude. As a Christian I can never support the Christophobic politicians and leaders who promote and encourage evil at every turn.

Matthew 7:23
And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’

Luke 13:27
and He will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from; depart from Me, all you evildoers.’

Luke 16:10
“He who is faithful in a very little thing is faithful also in much; and he who is unrighteous in a very little thing is unrighteous also in much.

Corinthians 11:13
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.

Philippians 3:2
Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers


Malachi 4:1
“For behold, the day is coming, burning like a furnace; and all the arrogant and every evildoer will be chaff; and the day that is coming will set them ablaze,” says the Lord of hosts, “so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.”

Isaiah 1:4
Alas, sinful nation,
People weighed down with iniquity,
Offspring of evildoers,
Sons who act corruptly!
They have abandoned the Lord,
They have despised the Holy One of Israel,
They have turned away from Him.

Isaiah 31:2
Yet He also is wise and will bring disaster
And does not retract His words,
But will arise against the house of evildoers
And against the help of the workers of iniquity

To think evildoers are sent from God is wrong and I can not support them in any way shape or form.

Sorry dude. Forgiveness after repentance, a big yes. There is no need for forgiveness when the evil doer doesn't think they have done anything wrong. Jesus never said we had to support and honor evil doers who won't repent. We are obligated not to hate them. We are not obligated to forgive someone who says there is nothing to forgive that I am the bad/evil one. We are obligated to be kind to them, but not to agree with their encouragement of rampant evil. I can not support any liberal politician and many Republican politicians and I don't think Jesus demands my support of evil just because they are politicians. Jesus tells us to reject evil and not listen to those who demand we do and engage in evil.


edit on 4/6/23 by The2Billies because: addition



posted on Apr, 6 2023 @ 05:18 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Why is it that the evil communist left can "preach" their beliefs from the pulpits of inner-city churches without criticism?
Because of fear from the wokesters is why .?


You aren't making any sense.
Ill ask you this :
Have you ever been to an all white southern Baptist church ?
There is plenty of bigotry Ive heard in white Baptist churches down south.



posted on Apr, 6 2023 @ 05:22 PM
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originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Why is it that the evil communist left can "preach" their beliefs from the pulpits of inner-city churches without criticism?
Because of fear from the wokesters is why .?


You aren't making any sense.
Ill ask you this :
Have you ever been to an all white southern Baptist church ?
There is plenty of bigotry Ive heard in white Baptist churches down south.


Not sure what you mean.

Politicians of all types speak from pulpits.

You just seem focused on MAGA types.

Now I've never been to a MAGA church.

Been to many that spent more time hating Trump than anything else.

Do politicians use "God" to get votes?

Sure.

That's their eternal problem though.

Not mine.



posted on Apr, 6 2023 @ 05:25 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Why is it that the evil communist left can "preach" their beliefs from the pulpits of inner-city churches without criticism?
Because of fear from the wokesters is why .?


You aren't making any sense.
Ill ask you this :
Have you ever been to an all white southern Baptist church ?
There is plenty of bigotry Ive heard in white Baptist churches down south.


Not sure what you mean.

Politicians of all types speak from pulpits.

You just seem focused on MAGA types.

Now I've never been to a MAGA church.

Been to many that spent more time hating Trump than anything else.

Do politicians use "God" to get votes?

Sure.

That's their eternal problem though.

Not mine.
The evangelicals in America are so far up Trump’s rear in support of him it’s ridiculous.



posted on Apr, 6 2023 @ 05:31 PM
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Which Christians? I grew up in the church and my dad is still a pastor. While I am not a church goer, I don't know any Christians who believe this.




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