Astra Zenaka banned in Australia

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: ScepticScot

Believe what you want it really does not matter anymore. I just hope that there were enough Placebo shots and degraded batches to take the sting out.

The member wasn't to drift and trying to blame rare events, out of date advise, and climate change, just as the journalists did. Great denialism of reality and vaccine apologetics.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: ScepticScot

The term, "rare complication" has a moving definition based on who you ask too. Here are more specifics inside the article...

A week-long inquest at Birmingham Coroner’s Court was told a GP informed Mr Hurn the risk of blood clots on the brain for his age group was one in 250,000, when the latest NHS guidance estimated it to be one in 50,000.

No link provided but searching shows that was from a case where someone was given the wrong numbers when deciding to go ahead or not with the Astrazeneca vaccine.

At that point the advice was for under 40s to get a different vaccine. That they advise what vaccine is best based on the evidence is hardly indicative of some vast conspiracy to lie about the safety is it?

Stop the vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality and stop defending the Pharmaceuticals. Your arguments have been refuted again and again. There is no point going about the same debunked claims.

Nothing more convincing that someone claiming to have won online.

Another death by the miracle of science. Note how the newspaper which I assume is British, is trying to blame the out-of-date advise rather than the vaccine. Then it adds the complications are 'rare' at the end.

You have got great reporters and journalists in the UK as it seems. Keep the good work and I am sure the credibility of the press will never be questioned.

Clearly the journalists you have don't have a clue about scientific and medical matters trying to blame an out-of-date advise rather than the vaccine claiming rare complications.

If you haven't realised it yet the article is blow to the credibility of the British reporters. The only thing they got right is that the person died due to the Astrazeneca vaccine.

Copy paste of your previous post.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Denmark says it’s permanently stopping use of the AstraZeneca vaccine.

The miracle of science was ditched back in April 2021 in Denmark. Then most other countries that used it have stopped using it a few months later. It took 2 years for Australia to do what they should have done long time ago.

Not the greatest success story. A vaccine that has been withdrawn pretty much from all countries that have used it after 'rare adverse events'.

The UK has done the same. Australia has withdrawn the AZ vaccines and so on.

a reply to: ScepticScot

No link provided but searching shows that was from a case where someone was given the wrong numbers when deciding to go ahead or not with the Astrazeneca vaccine.

I didn't provide the link because Asmodeus3 already did regarding the death of Jack Hurn.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: ScepticScot

Believe what you want it really does not matter anymore. I just hope that there were enough Placebo shots and degraded batches to take the sting out.

Believe what you want as well.

I do love that your post already contains an excuse for why it won't happen.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: ScepticScot

Explain why I should believe the opinion of anonymous online posters on an conspiracy site, many of whom have been wrong over and over again, rather than the reason given by the body making the decision.

It's called, "common sense". You might want to take a look at the reasons from all of the other countries who stopped using AstraZeneca to make a better informed decision.

Common sense doesn't work I am afraid in our days. Vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality is what you will see from those who believe in the vaccine ideology.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: ScepticScot

No link provided but searching shows that was from a case where someone was given the wrong numbers when deciding to go ahead or not with the Astrazeneca vaccine.

I didn't provide the link because Asmodeus3 already did regarding the death of Jack Hurn.

The lack of link wasn't really the point.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Common sense is that I should believe anonymous conspiracy theorists. OK.

Have you been up drinking all night? The people on this site have been offering up link after link of sources to back up their theories. All you've done is take one man's word for it that has much to lose if he were to admit that they were slow in pulling the vaccine after considerable damage had already been done.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: ScepticScot

No link provided but searching shows that was from a case where someone was given the wrong numbers when deciding to go ahead or not with the Astrazeneca vaccine.

I didn't provide the link because Asmodeus3 already did regarding the death of Jack Hurn.

From another link of mine.

BBC reporter dies due to Astrazeneca vaccine serious adverse reaction.



Lisa Shaw, who worked for BBC Radio Newcastle, died at the age of 44 in May after developing headaches a week after getting her first dose of the vaccine.

Newcastle coroner Karen Dilks heard Ms Shaw suffered blood clots in the brain which ultimately led to her death.

The inquest heard the condition linked to the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine was very rare.

The coroner said: "Lisa died due to complications of an AstraZeneca Covid vaccination."

The coroner at the end made the right statement. Lisa died due to complications of the AZ vaccine. No excuses about 'rare' events or out of date advise. Note how the British press is trying to downgrade these deaths.

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: ScepticScot

Common sense is that I should believe anonymous conspiracy theorists. OK.

Have you been up drinking all night? The people on this site have been offering up link after link of sources to back up their theories. All you've done is take one man's word for it that has much to lose if he were to admit that they were slow in pulling the vaccine after considerable damage had already been done.

Nany people on this site have offered up misleading claims, poor understanding of risk and outright lies.

I gave the official position of the Australian department of health.

Other vaccines work better and for certain age groups are lower risk. That doesn't mean that it was withdrawn for safety reasons.

Here are some highlights from Australia's Covid-19 Vaccine Safety Report dated December 15, 2022...

We are carefully monitoring and reviewing reports of:

myocarditis and pericarditis (inflammation of the heart or membrane around the heart) following vaccination, particularly in younger age groups

thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS), Guillain-Barre syndrome (GBS) and immune thrombocytopenia (ITP) following Vaxzevria (AstraZeneca) in adults.

Myocarditis is a known but very rare side effect of Comirnaty (Pfizer) and Spikevax (Moderna). It is usually temporary, with most people getting better within a few days. Myocarditis is reported in around 1-2 in every 100,000 people who receive Comirnaty (Pfizer) and around 2 in every 100,000 of those who receive Spikevax (Moderna). It occurs in males and females but is more common after the second dose in boys aged 12-17 years (13 cases per 100,000 Comirnaty doses and 24 cases per 100,000 Spikevax doses) and men under 30 (9 cases per 100,000 Comirnaty doses and 20 cases per 100,000 Spikevax doses).

To 11 December 2022, the TGA has received 706 reports which have been assessed as likely to be myocarditis from about 44.4 million doses of Comirnaty (Pfizer) and 113 reports which have been assessed as likely to be myocarditis from about 5.4 million doses of Spikevax (Moderna).

Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (or TTS) is a very rare but serious side effect of Vaxzevria (AstraZeneca). Our analysis shows it is reported in about 2 in every 100,000 vaccinated people following the first dose. The risk of TTS is much lower after the second dose (0.3 in every 100,000 vaccinated people).

www.tga.gov.au...

While this report likes to focus on a couple of people here or there for every 100,000 people vaccinated, the details inside the report show that a total of 48,613 adverse events have been reported with AstraZeneca alone. Funny how they didn't report any of the details for how many of these reports had to do with Guillain-Barre Syndrome, even though it was mentioned above. It was one of the first problems that arose out of the AZ vaccine.

a reply to: Deetermined

The most frequently reported side effects suspected to be associated with the vaccines include headache, muscle and joint pain, fever, chills and nausea. Skin reactions at the site of the injection are also common and can include pain, swelling, redness and an itchy rash. These are recognised side effects of vaccination and are usually transient and mild.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: ScepticScot

Common sense is that I should believe anonymous conspiracy theorists. OK.

Have you been up drinking all night? The people on this site have been offering up link after link of sources to back up their theories. All you've done is take one man's word for it that has much to lose if he were to admit that they were slow in pulling the vaccine after considerable damage had already been done.

Nany people on this site have offered up misleading claims, poor understanding of risk and outright lies.

I gave the official position of the Australian department of health.

Other vaccines work better and for certain age groups are lower risk. That doesn't mean that it was withdrawn for safety reasons.

Vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality for once more.

I am sure that woke and left wing activists have a better understanding than 'many of the people' on this site who are 'unable' to understand science and medicine.

Why do we need science when we have left wing activists around. Just like Dr Greta Thunberg who has now a PhD in Theology and is an expert in physics and climate change. I am sure the woke activists are also experts in human biology, genetics, and immunology.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: Deetermined
a reply to: ScepticScot

Common sense is that I should believe anonymous conspiracy theorists. OK.

Have you been up drinking all night? The people on this site have been offering up link after link of sources to back up their theories. All you've done is take one man's word for it that has much to lose if he were to admit that they were slow in pulling the vaccine after considerable damage had already been done.

Nany people on this site have offered up misleading claims, poor understanding of risk and outright lies.

I gave the official position of the Australian department of health.

Other vaccines work better and for certain age groups are lower risk. That doesn't mean that it was withdrawn for safety reasons.

Vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality for once more.

I am sure that woke and left wing activists have a better understanding than 'many of the people' on this site who are 'unable' to understand science and medicine.

Why do we need science when we have left wing activists around. Just like Dr Greta Thunberg who has now a PhD in Theology and is an expert in physics and climate change. I am sure the woke activists are also experts in human biology, genetics, and immunology.

Nothing about the actual topic.

a reply to: Deetermined

Also.

encourage people to report suspected side effects, even if there’s only a very small chance a vaccine was the cause

originally posted by: Deetermined
Here are some highlights from Australia's Covid-19 Vaccine Safety Report dated December 15, 2022...

We are carefully monitoring and reviewing reports of:

myocarditis and pericarditis (inflammation of the heart or membrane around the heart) following vaccination, particularly in younger age groups

thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS), Guillain-Barre syndrome (GBS) and immune thrombocytopenia (ITP) following Vaxzevria (AstraZeneca) in adults.

Myocarditis is a known but very rare side effect of Comirnaty (Pfizer) and Spikevax (Moderna). It is usually temporary, with most people getting better within a few days. Myocarditis is reported in around 1-2 in every 100,000 people who receive Comirnaty (Pfizer) and around 2 in every 100,000 of those who receive Spikevax (Moderna). It occurs in males and females but is more common after the second dose in boys aged 12-17 years (13 cases per 100,000 Comirnaty doses and 24 cases per 100,000 Spikevax doses) and men under 30 (9 cases per 100,000 Comirnaty doses and 20 cases per 100,000 Spikevax doses).

To 11 December 2022, the TGA has received 706 reports which have been assessed as likely to be myocarditis from about 44.4 million doses of Comirnaty (Pfizer) and 113 reports which have been assessed as likely to be myocarditis from about 5.4 million doses of Spikevax (Moderna).

Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (or TTS) is a very rare but serious side effect of Vaxzevria (AstraZeneca). Our analysis shows it is reported in about 2 in every 100,000 vaccinated people following the first dose. The risk of TTS is much lower after the second dose (0.3 in every 100,000 vaccinated people).

www.tga.gov.au...

While this report likes to focus on a couple of people here or there for every 100,000 people vaccinated, the details inside the report show that a total of 48,613 adverse events have been reported with AstraZeneca alone. Funny how they didn't report any of the details for how many of these reports had to do with Guillain-Barre Syndrome, even though it was mentioned above. It was one of the first problems that arose out of the AZ vaccine.

It seems convenient to ignore all other serious adverse reactions and concentrate only on thrombosis and thrombocytopenia cases. The list is endless and the fact is that the AZ vaccine was withdrawn from most countries that have used it, including the UK where the vaccine was produced.

Not the greatest success story. The miracle of science is not with us anymore. The safe and effective vaccine that has saved millions of lives according to the narrative has been withdrawn...

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Deetermined

The most frequently reported side effects suspected to be associated with the vaccines include headache, muscle and joint pain, fever, chills and nausea. Skin reactions at the site of the injection are also common and can include pain, swelling, redness and an itchy rash. These are recognised side effects of vaccination and are usually transient and mild.

How many of those frequently reported side effects are tied to a more serious problem is what you should be asking yourself.

Serious side effects What to do

Low levels of blood platelets (with or without major blood clots or bleeding (thrombocytopenia or immune thrombocytopenia) have been observed very rarely. Get medical attention immediately if from a few days following vaccination you get any of the following symptoms:

• experience a severe or persistent headache, blurred vision, confusion or seizures (fits)
• develop shortness of breath, chest pain, leg swelling, leg pain or persistent abdominal pain
• notice unexplained bleeding, unusual skin bruising or pinpoint round spots beyond the site of vaccination

GBS and ADEM are rare immune disorders that can cause inflammation in the brain and spinal cord that damages myelin
– the protective covering of nerve fibres.

Get medical attention immediately if you get any of the following symptoms: Pain, numbness, paralysis, confusion, difficulty breathing, muscle weakness in the arms and legs, which may progress to the chest and face.

Very rare cases of transverse myelitis (inflammation of the spinal cord) have been reported. Get medical attention immediately if you get any of the following symptoms: weakness in the arms or legs, sensory symptoms (such as tingling, numbness, pain or loss of pain sensation), localized or radiating back pain, bladder and bowel symptoms.

All found within a link of a link inside the Australian Covid-19 Vaccine Safety Report.

a reply to: Deetermined

Your own link shows serious side effects to be rare and nothing about the vaccine being withdrawn fir safety reasons.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Again withdrawn because other vaccines work better.

originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Again withdrawn because other vaccines work better.

It doesn't look like that's what was being reported back on April 12,2021...

Australia has abandoned a goal to vaccinate nearly all of its 26 million population by the end of 2021 following advice that people under the age of 50 take Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine rather than AstraZeneca's shot.

Australia, which had banked on the AstraZeneca vaccine for the majority of its shots, had no plans to set any new targets for completing its vaccination program, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said in a Facebook post on Sunday afternoon.

"While we would like to see these doses completed before the end of the year, it is not possible to set such targets given the many uncertainties involved," Morrison said.

Authorities in Canberra changed their recommendation on Pfizer shots for under-50s on Thursday, after European regulators reiterated the possibility of links between the AstraZeneca shot and reports of rare cases of blood clots.

Australia, which raced to double its order of the Pfizer vaccine last week, had originally planned to have its entire population vaccinated by the end of October.

www.cbc.ca...