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Buying ammunition together, serve the cause of a just peace in Ukraine EU

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posted on Apr, 4 2023 @ 04:05 PM
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a reply to: MykeNukem

Actual points.

Which you ignored.



posted on Apr, 4 2023 @ 04:08 PM
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originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: MykeNukem

There are peace negotiations and then there is rewarding an invading aggressor. That is generally called "appeasement".

Which, as history tells us, encourages further bad stuff.

"As usual"?



Rule #3, revert to Talking Point #1, if #2 didn't work.

Well done.



As opposed to a strategy of not actually discussing any of the points raised....


What was raised?

The 2 MSM talking points?

zZz


Yes because that can be the only explanation for people having a different opinion to you...

If you don't want to discuss a post you are under no obligation to reply.



posted on Apr, 4 2023 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: DerBeobachter
Don´t people see in which crazy times we live meanwhile:

“War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength”


Lets break this down with ruZZia as the example...

War is Peace - ruZZia invaded its neighbors roughly 4 times the last 30 years in the guise of protecting itself from NATO 'expansion' ruZZia has readily claimed these actions in the name of peace.

Freedom is Slavery - ruZZia has and still does call the 'freedom' and quality of life in the 'West' decadent and rotting, along with even claiming that the freedom of the 'west' isnt what normal real true ruZZians want, ruZZians even state that hardship and toil, and their ability to endure it is a defining characteristic of their culture... ruZZia is one of the least free places in Europe.

Ignorance is Strength - ruZZian civilians are the largest politically apathetic people on the planet outside of the Chinese and NKs, ruZZian people are the literal definition of 'Ignorance is Strength'. They do not care nor want to even think about what their leaders do as long as it keeps them out of trouble with the top and allowed to do as they please in their personal lives.


How can that hypocrisy and irony not escape you when you quoted 1984... how can you use that quote as some form of defense of a country that is literally the walking and breathing embodiment of it.



posted on Apr, 4 2023 @ 05:12 PM
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Double posted somehow.
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posted on Apr, 4 2023 @ 05:12 PM
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Double posted somehow
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posted on Apr, 4 2023 @ 05:24 PM
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a reply to: Freeborn

You mean like how NATO Countries admitted on arming Ukraine 14 years ago and are using Ukraine to fight agaisnt Russia?



posted on Apr, 4 2023 @ 05:25 PM
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posted on Apr, 4 2023 @ 05:31 PM
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a reply to: tamusan




It all reads to me like you mean: "Ukrainians are killing massive numbers of Russian soldiers with ammunition and weapons supplied by the West, and Russia will be defeated if it's not stopped. Boohoo, blubber, sob sob, and waah."

Its the oppoisite and its something your beloved clown zelensky had being afraid of admiting.

Ukraine has suffered casualties far more than what the Mainstream News Media had being not wanting to admit nor report.

Because they arent allowed.

Ukrainians are killing massive numbers of Russian soldiers with ammunition and weapons supplied by the West
You mean that same Woke, Drag West that cant produce the same amount of ammunition on the same scale as Russia?



Ukraine is running low on ammo. Europe faces pressure to produce more.

Wider Europe Briefing: Ukraine Could Get More Ammo From The EU; NATO Looks Back At A Difficult Year

After six months of claiming in the MSM i suppose not everything is rosy.

The only one winning appears to be zelensky with the photo ops.



posted on Apr, 4 2023 @ 05:32 PM
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The same west which has a problem recruiting soldiers?

Even More Young Americans Are Unfit to Serve, a New Study Finds. Here's Why.



A new study from the Pentagon shows that 77% of young Americans would not qualify for military service without a waiver due to being overweight, using drugs or having mental and physical health problems.


Maybe using Ukraine and pushing a supposed "Sovereign Nation" to start a war with Russia wasn't such a good idea.
Nor was it a good idea for Ukraine's gov to be killing and attacking civilians in Eastern Ukraine.



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posted on Apr, 4 2023 @ 05:38 PM
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a reply to: vNex92

Arming Ukraine?
How, when and why?

No amount of wriggling or spin will alter the FACT that Russia invaded Ukraine against the explicit assurances they gave as signatories of The Budapest Memorandum.



posted on Apr, 4 2023 @ 05:39 PM
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I assume most of you are supporting Ukraine and his clown zelensky because you believe the mainstream news media outlets on Ukraine. The same media that lied about Syria, Iraqi war.

The same MSM which manufactured the lie of the Iraqi baby incubator.



posted on Apr, 4 2023 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: Freeborn

I am not going to bother on posting it because if i do your side will just deny it or ignore it.





No amount of wriggling or spin will alter the FACT that Russia invaded Ukraine

They attacked Ukraine after Ukraine kept attacking Donbass for 8 years.
The Ethnic Russian/Ukrainians who live there.

Its why Russia attacked Ukraine.



posted on Apr, 4 2023 @ 05:43 PM
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a reply to: Freeborn

The Budapest Memorandum.
Ah yes that old 1991,1994 agreement when the Soviets felt down? you know what was also agreed in that Budapest Memorandum agreement?

The consequence for Ukraine's independence from Russia as a former province was for Ukraine to stay and remain neutral.


Considering you had Soros admitted on interviews that he had spend billions on Ukraine shows the US was pushing Ukraine into EU and NATO.



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posted on Apr, 4 2023 @ 05:45 PM
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a reply to: Freeborn

The 1991/1994 treaty didn't say to Ukraine you have the right attack the Russian speaking Ukrainians in Eastern Ukraine.


Of course Ukrainian supporters always bring up that Clinton agreement.



posted on Apr, 4 2023 @ 05:50 PM
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Do you know why the Ukrainian war is happening? remember what happened 14 years ago? NATO/US promised an argued for anti-ballistic defense to shield Europe from future Iranian missiles.

Clearly that argued for anti-ballistic defense program has not being meant for Iran but directly aimed at Russia.



That is the other reason that this war is happening and US is using Ukraine agaisnt Russia.


If Russia never stepped in Ukraine, dont think for a minute that NATO wouldst install those anti-ballistic systems in Ukraine.

They would than we would have real issues.


Yet again this shows how much NATO, US lies when they are protecting from Iran's missiles.
Its never about Iran its about Russia and taking down and destroying Russia as a civilization.



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posted on Apr, 5 2023 @ 01:17 AM
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originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: Freeborn

The 1991/1994 treaty didn't say to Ukraine you have the right attack the Russian speaking Ukrainians in Eastern Ukraine.


Of course Ukrainian supporters always bring up that Clinton agreement.




You mean when fighting against part 1 of Putins invasion of Ukraine.

www.telegraph.co.uk...



posted on Apr, 5 2023 @ 01:26 AM
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originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: Freeborn

The Budapest Memorandum.
Ah yes that old 1991,1994 agreement when the Soviets felt down? you know what was also agreed in that Budapest Memorandum agreement?

The consequence for Ukraine's independence from Russia as a former province was for Ukraine to stay and remain neutral.


Considering you had Soros admitted on interviews that he had spend billions on Ukraine shows the US was pushing Ukraine into EU and NATO.




Please link to where the Budapest memorandum required Ukraine to remain neutral.



posted on Apr, 5 2023 @ 03:55 AM
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I am not going to bother on posting it because if i do your side will just deny it or ignore it.


To be honest, that doesn't surprise me.
My only surprise is that you replied - 4 times - normally you fail to respond to my posts.



They attacked Ukraine after Ukraine kept attacking Donbass for 8 years.


This has been pointed out time and time again to you: Kremlin funded Russian Armed Militia's had been agitating, provoking and committing acts of terrorism throughout Luhansk and Donetsk for years. They had been targeting non-Orthodox Christians, ethnic Ukrainians and official Ukrainian government interests.
Yes, the Ukrainian governments response was at times brutal but as seems to be a trend, without Russia's initial action it wouldn't have happened.


Its why Russia attacked Ukraine.


Oh....so it wasn't about the Bio-Labs or the Nazi's or NATO encroachment etcetera etcetera?



posted on Apr, 5 2023 @ 04:16 AM
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The consequence for Ukraine's independence from Russia as a former province was for Ukraine to stay and remain neutral.


Please show where it says anything of the sort in The Budapest Memorandum.


Considering you had Soros admitted on interviews that he had spend billions on Ukraine shows the US was pushing Ukraine into EU and NATO.


Ukraine had been told in no uncertain terms that it would not be even considered for NATO membership in the near future. It was told that it would be at least 25 years before there was a possibility of it being issued a Membership Action Plan.


Do you know why the Ukrainian war is happening? remember what happened 14 years ago? NATO/US promised an argued for anti-ballistic defense to shield Europe from future Iranian missiles.


Oh, I thought you said it was because 'Ukraine kept attacking Donbas'?
That's another reason we can add to the list of poor attempts to justify invading a non-threatening country and causing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, the displacement of millions more and the wholescale destruction of a sovereign nation.


Its never about Iran its about Russia and taking down and destroying Russia as a civilization.


No-one wants to 'destroy Russia as a civilisation', that is just propaganda fuelled paranoia.
No-one has any enmity towards the Russian people, in fact I think they have a lot of sympathy.

Its Putin, his delusions of grandeur, his dreams of a Greater Russia and his desired epithet in Russian history as Putin the Great that is disliked.



posted on Apr, 5 2023 @ 04:33 AM
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Back to topic.

A small point here. The EU may be trying to take the credit here, because production and supply of munitions is still a sovereign activity, paid for by the country who is doing the supplying. To date, most arms, munitions and humanitarian aid has come from countries outside the EU, notably the US and the UK.

That aside, the OP is repetitive and somewhat hypocritical. No complaining that Iran and North Korea are supplying arms to Russia, and doubtless no rejection of China doing so, should they choose to overtly take sides.

Military and humanitarian aid to Ukraine has helped stop a grave situation getting worse. Russia has been stopped from their intent of erasing the sovereign state of Ukraine.

Russia and their cadre of propagandists and sycophants are complaining that they have been stopped. It's all sour grapes.



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