Federal judge temporarily blocks Tennessee's anti-drag law

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Coulrophobia (fear of clowns) is quite common. Scientific American actually did a survey to try and get some idea of what causes coulrophobia, coming up with 8 answers. The first four of these answers can be summed up as clowns appearing "unnatural," which is something that many of the children's drag shows have in common with clowns. Two of the others (numbers 6 and 7) are based on fear handed down from others in society who suffer from coulrophobia.

Children instinctively know when something is unnatural, and it will initially scare them. With all phobias, of course, continuous exposure to the source of the fear can mitigate this response if (and only if) such experiences are benevolent. If they are not benevolent, however, such experiences can scar a person for life. Someone with arachnophobia can, through repeated exposure to spiders, mitigate their fear over time; one non-benevolent experience (getting bitten, or even thinking they were about to be bitten) can increase the phobia more than what benefits 1000 benevolent experiences can have, however.

What you have just done is explain exactly why these drag show reading lessons are dangerous for children.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

The Tennessee law is aimed to combat obviously offensive displays which are becoming more and more commonplace.

Tennessee's Obscenity law is clear. law.justia.com...

Simply declaring any cross dressing to be "cabaret", and therefore public obscenity, is too broad and based on opinion and beliefs and violates the 1st and the 14th Amendments.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

You conveniently failed to answer my simple question: do you support sexualization of children?

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

What you have just done is explain exactly why these drag show reading lessons are dangerous for children.

But clowns are still okay. There is no bill labeling clowns as "cabaret" performers or dangerous to children. Equal application of the law, and all.

a reply to: TheRedneck

You conveniently failed to answer my simple question: do you support sexualization of children?

Or:
if someone is allowed to change their gender/sex, can they then explore that gender/sex?

a reply to: TheRedneck

sexualization of children?

I'm NOT sure I know what that is. From Kindergarten, I was taught how to be a little girl...to pretend ironing, cooking and cleaning, taking care of baby dolls. When I grew up, girls weren't allowed to wear pants in school and women couldn't get a credit card without her husband's approval.

I'd rather children are not genderized in school, sexually abused or groomed in any school of thought, period.

To make it very clear, the whole role of drag queen shows in the schools in the US is purpose to encourage queer ideology on children and arouse sexually, for the benefit of the Pedophiles financing this agenda.

Starting children into these practices from the ground up.

A whole generation of molested children that will become the mentally unstable adults of the future, but that is not of the pedos concern, they only want the generation while they are still children.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Nice attempt. This law concerns indecency; most clowns do not present themselves in a sexual manner. If you want to talk about restricting clowns in public, we can do so. But it will be a separate law.

TheRedneck

a reply to: PorkChop96

Almost all of the examples you are giving are done by choice, not forced upon you in your classroom where you go to learn.

Can you show me an example wear little kids are being forced to watch drag shows in the classroom? I mean, I've seen my share of football, basketball players and the wrestling team in drag at school assemblies, and sport's pep-rallies.

But, as I said a few minutes ago, none of these are there to talk to you about the made up number of genders and your sexuality.

We're talking about drag shows and public drag displays.

This thread isn't about teaching children gender theory or gender affirming care for kids.

a reply to: oddscreenname

We are generally talking about pre-pubescent children. For a girl, "exploring being a boy" would mean roughhousing, playing sports, playing with toy trucks, etc. For a boy, ,it would likely mean dressing up, playing with dolls, etc.

An adult dressing in drag often illustrates the sexual differences between boys and girls. Adults typically see the differences between the sexes based on anatomical rather than cultural differences, and adults who try to pretend they are the opposite sex often accentuate those differences. That's a horse of a different color.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

most clowns do not present themselves in a sexual manner.

So, presenting oneself in a sexual manner is obscenity?

Oh wait, it's only obscentity when it's a cross dresser appearing "sexy". Otherwise, people can present themselves in a "sexual" manner all day long, every day.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

I'm sure I know what that is.

I'm sure you do, you just don't want to admit it.

From Kindergarten, I was taught how to be a little girl...to pretend ironing, cooking and cleaning, taking care of baby dolls. When I grew up, girls weren't allowed to wear pants in school and women couldn't get a credit card without her husband's approval.

My daughter was just as capable growing up of doing "boy stuff" as my son, and vice versa. Both naturally gravitated toward the traditional roles, my son moreso than my daughter.

Just because your parents were not as accepting of your desires, that is no reason to support harming children.

I'd rather children are not genderized in school, sexually abused or groomed in any school of thought, period.

I'd rather no one tried to explain to them what those private parts were for before they are mentally ready to understand it either. So?

TheRedneck

a reply to: Sookiechacha

So, presenting oneself in a sexual manner is obscenity?

In front of a child?


YES, IT IS!


TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Just because your parents were not as accepting of your desires

What desires? Are you trying to label me a gay, bi or trans, because you can't argue that gender grooming isn't common.

I'd rather no one tried to explain to them what those private parts were for before they are mentally ready to understand it either. So?

Why would you have to? If a trans person passes as a woman, even as a super ugly woman, why would you give a prepubescent child a lecture on sexuality and gender. If they aren't fooling your kiddo, then, as a normal kid, they're simply entertained by the silliness of a man dressed as a woman, or they're grossed out and you have nothing to worry about.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Sookiechacha

So, presenting oneself in a sexual manner is obscenity?

In front of a child?


YES, IT IS!


TheRedneck

LOL

Sad to be you, living in a cesspool of obscenity! LOL

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Drag Queens have not reason to be around children, to be teaching children about queer, gender and sexual behavior, they have no room in schools or libraries at all, where children gather.

Plain and simple. They are adult Entertaiment, no children entertainment.

a reply to: marg6043

What is a "drag queen". Are all trans females drag queens? Are they drag queens even when they're not dressed in drag?

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Maybe because clowns aren't meant to be sexual, clowns are meant to be funny and entertaining.

Please, enlighten me on what would make a clown a "cabaret" performer

a reply to: PorkChop96

Please, enlighten me on what would make a clown a "cabaret" performer

Please enlighten me what makes any performance a "cabaret" performance. Now, Please, enlighten me on what would make any trans performer a "cabaret" performer.


The law redefines obscene and cabaret as:

male or female impersonators who provide entertainment that appeals to a prurient interest.”

So, other venues that expliot prurient interests, like Carls Jr commercials, are exempt? Little Miss Beauty Contests and dance competitions are exempt?




Good thing these are girls, otherwise it might be prurient for some.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: PorkChop96

Please enlighten me what makes any performance a "cabaret" performance. Now, Please, enlighten me on what would make any trans performer a "cabaret" performer.

It's literally in the article of the OP, if you had bothered to read it; "male or female impersonators" are now classified as a form of adult cabaret, akin to strippers and topless, go-go and exotic dancers."

I'm not familiar with a Carl's Jr. commercial sexualizing anyone.

I'm not the one saying that little miss beauty and dance competitions are being sexualized, you just did. I'm not saying there aren't people who do sexualize it, but they are not meant to be. I have yet to hear of a drag show that wasn't meant to be sexual in any way.

But answer this, Why are you so for having grown men in dresses and lingerie talking to the kids of your community?