How are Russian losses justified in Bakhmut

Ukraine army drone footage has been released showing Bakhmut in ruins , reports are that the situation has stabilized.

a reply to: gortex

So, Russia has done what Russia does, namely flatten an destroy a city it is trying to capture.

What's the point of this?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

That misquotes my post. I did not use the word "just".

I use language tools to correct my spelling/sentence (English ain't my main language) it seems that sometimes it changes the person i quote as well.

It doesn't change anything i said though.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2 Control over resources ,like most wars

a reply to: gortex

Absolutely shocking.

I don't think the place could look much worse if it had been nuked.

Imagine that happening all over Europe or even here in the UK!

This is why Russian needs to be stopped in Ukraine and for good.

a reply to: Dizle81

Does rather change what I said, though?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: gortex

So, Russia has done what Russia does, namely flatten an destroy a city it is trying to capture.

What's the point of this?

I think they call it war. What do you think war looks like?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: gortex

Absolutely shocking.

I don't think the place could look much worse if it had been nuked.

Imagine that happening all over Europe or even here in the UK!

This is why Russian needs to be stopped in Ukraine and for good.

It did. It's in just about every history book on war going back thousands of years.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

Well, a supposed Super Power endeavoring to capture a city, might want to capture it relatively intact?

What's the point of occupying a flattened pile of rubble?

Seems like a bit of a Pyrrhic victory to me.

Not that they have managed that, yet.

a reply to: Soloprotocol

I don't think history books contain much drone video footage to be honest, plenty of pictures all the same.

This is really the first war in Europe where drone footage of such caliber has been captured and displayed to the public.

It makes watching the laser-guided bombs strike their targets during the likes of both Gulf War escapades pale by comparison even if it is on the same to similar scale of destruction

And also the first war where commercial drones have been used en mass as weapons of war or to mark targets for the likes of artillery strikes or drop grenades along enemy trenches or atop armored vehicles.

If people cannot look at the end result of the video Gortex posted and think what is the fecking point, i have to ponder why?

The place looks like Berlin at the end of the second world war ffs, worse even!

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Does rather change what I said, though?

It does what you say yes,but it wont change my respond

a reply to: WhatItIs

I am not a fanboy, i do not believe that sovereign governments even exist, its all a chess game that has only one goal, to get us, the masses of citizens on a global scale to "accept" "reality".

And with that out of the way, there is the age old saying, Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak. Now if you watch the sheeple news for dummies, it looks a lot like that.

Soon when the money, support and resources stop coming to Ukraine, their national guard will ally themselves with Russian troops and after killing all foreign fighters the new frontline will be Poland.

a reply to: XipeTotex

Yes, of course.

What "foreign fighters"?

The only real foreign fighters are the Wagner mercenaries?

Poland is in NATO.

Good luck with that.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: XipeTotex

Yes, of course.

What "foreign fighters"?

The only real foreign fighters are the Wagner mercenaries?

Poland is in NATO.

Good luck with that.

By foreign fighters i mean all non ukrainians that are fighting against Russian troops.
Nato is a nice word, dont know how much value i would place in it tho.

Ukraine will join Russia.

Remember you heard it here first.

a reply to: XipeTotex

the new frontline will be Poland.

Yeh, that's a third world war where the already weak, underpowered, ill-equipped, never mind downtrodden and defanged Russian Federation forces, get decimated and destroyed as soon as they step one foot across the Polish border.

Where Russia would be forced to resort to the use of nukes else lose face and/or risk total annihilation and invasion by NATO forces.

Which is why Russia will never be allowed to take Ukraine.

See all that nonsense and the downright porkies pies Putin told about mere military exercises not being anything to worry about anywhere near Poland just will not fly a second time around.

a reply to: XipeTotex

OK.

Which "non Ukrainians" which you think are fighting against Russian troops are you referring to?

Ukraine will "join Russia"?

You mean, by force?

Why would you like that?

Lots of actual Ukrainians might have a different opinion about that.

a reply to: andy06shake

Poland will be just like Ukraine was 5 years ago. But occupied Ukraine will be something else entirely.. Surveillance everywhere, the number one place for criminals to get military grade equipment, It will be one of the largest drug labs ever.

Who runs it on paper? the cargo pants man or the suit man.. Makes no difference.

The outcome will always be the same.

Like i said, countries, governments, these are things for the citizen, a group of global leaders cares little for those.

Its real only for us, not them.

originally posted by: Joneselius
Using the BBC as a source is aking to asking Jimmy Saville to watch your sick aunt.


These people are trained liars, the 4th estate of the establishment which is run on pure propaganda. Russia aren't losing thousands and thousands of manpower, they're doing the same this America did in Iraq, using contractors to capture key positions and then artillery supporting those positions for days and days until all the Ukrainian troops are dead. Russia VASTLY outnumbers Ukraines capacity for artillery fire, and their ammo is about 12* cheaper too.

Basically, you're being lied to.

Don't forget, they told us that Russia was just about OUT of missiles TWO MONTHS before Russia launched of one the most extensive missile strikes ever seen.......

We are not told the truth. The truth is dead. We know nothing.

Then what’s stopping or slowing Russia down?

a reply to: XipeTotex

Ah.

"Drug labs"?

It's pretty real for Ukrainians right now.

What do you mean "drug labs"? Please explain?

If there was no record of cargo 300... then cargo 300 never happened, no body no foul. Cant complain or justify ruZZian losses when you will never be actually told about them.



Family:- "Wheres our little Ivanovich? Wheres our compensation"

ruZZian military:- "Who Ivanovich? We no record of your little Ivanovich, show us body... no potatoes and oil for you"

Family:- "ok..." **turns to next son** "hey little Ivonovich #2, your turn"