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Why leftist philosophies will never produce Utopia

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posted on Mar, 25 2023 @ 11:19 PM
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As conscious beings we strive to make our lives easier, to reduce the suffering and pain that this self-aware existence can place on us. Some people claim the only real meaning in life is bringing joy and happiness to others. However, one might also point out that too much of a good thing can be very bad, and just because something feels good doesn't mean it's good for you. We can also learn patience and wisdom from the less enjoyable parts of existence.

Those on the left are currently facing an interesting moral conflict; they want to reduce poverty and increase equality so everyone has a fair chance, they want abundance so people can work less and live more, they want cheap and clean energy for everyone on the planet, they want to use advanced technology to eliminate disease and solve other big problems, all of which are pretty good goals that I think most people would agree with.

On the other hand, the left believes that human beings and modern society is the single biggest threat to all life on this planet, and they aren't entirely wrong, humans do have the capacity to make this planet uninhabitable if we are careless enough. But they twist and exaggerate the facts far beyond reality, and such extreme fearmongering does have very serious consequences which impact the living standards of almost everyone on this planet.

Many intellectuals on the left speak of life extension technology or even immortality... but would our population really be sustainable if people lived hundreds of years or forever? If we managed to cure all disease the average human life span would increase dramatically, even just a cure for cancer would substantially increase the average human life span. Perhaps that's a reason so many "promising results" are often swept under the rug and forgotten.

Now imagine a world where we manage to create clean energy in such abundance it's virtually free. Just because the energy is clean doesn't mean there wont be any environmental consequences. With energy abundance the third world would explode into a phase of fast industrial growth, populations all over the world would explode and start consuming more resources as they develop into advanced technological nations, and that's just one aspect of it.

Perhaps that's a reason so many ideas for cheap energy are swept under the rug and forgotten. It would seem to me that while the left claims to want all these things which would improve our quality of life, they also have a fundamentally anti-human attitude which causes them to actually make our life worse when given political power. We can see this when we have farmers (people growing the food) and truckers (people who deliver it) who are constantly protesting their actions.

They are restricted in things like how much fertilizer they can use or how many cows they can have because cows fart too much. As a result we get less food at higher prices. They constantly claim that ridiculously high taxes will fix everything when in reality is just makes everyone poorer while politicians line their pockets. If you set rates that high in any simulation game people will abandon your city/country, yet we accept it in reality (because we know socialism works so well).

The left cares about your health so much, they will do everything within their power to make an experimental vaccine mandatory, and of course they are doing it to save every single life they possibly can, because people are obviously too stupid to make their own decisions. But if you want to take your own life because you're feeling a bit depressed, well that's just fine and dandy according to many modern leftist intellectuals who think relaxed laws around state approved suicide are great.

That's just how much they care about saving every human life they can. They tell us to drive less, eat less, shower less, buy less, go out less, don't warm your house so much, eat insects instead of meat, it goes on and on... but don't worry, they really do care about our quality of living, I mean it's basically the very foundation of their political platform isn't it? In summary, the Utopia promised to us by the left will never happen, it is inherently impossible given their anti-human outlook.
edit on 25/3/2023 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 25 2023 @ 11:27 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Judging by your narrative, you understand the prison we are in. This is a cycle like all of the other ones, we'll get through this like we've done hundreds of times.

You are creator level of existance, the ability to recognize all of the moving pieces and making decisions based on the facts you observe. Well done!



posted on Mar, 25 2023 @ 11:42 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Maybe give me a minute or two to take all that in.
I'm sure I have some dumb response to give.
My gut tells me you have many contraindications here.



posted on Mar, 25 2023 @ 11:46 PM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder




Why leftist philosophies will never produce Utopia




Such miserable people are incapable of producing anything remotely resembling an Utopia.

Just look at the current hellscape and judge them on the current demolition job.

Nowhere in history are the destroyers of society concerned about the people they lay to waste.

They are intellectually stunted, driven by hate and funded by parasites.

Their time is almost up.

Their only accomplishment is that they are useful idiots making the rich richer at the expense of everyone in the middle and lower classes.

The time is almost at hand where the elites will favor conservatism as war with China becomes a reality.

And because most large companies are majority owned by Blackrock and Vanguard, the war effort will be guided as if by a single hand.

Of course this makes us all left and right out to be useful idiots that are simply too easy to manipulate.

Throw in a majority religion that resigns itself to a destructive outcome as desirable in their God's eyes and we have this clown world we call Earth.


If I was an alien I would probe the # out of humanity just for kicks.


We must look so stupid to anyone looking in from the outside.



posted on Mar, 26 2023 @ 12:02 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Utopia is as real as ShangriLa, and is an unobtainable place, constructed in each individuals mind.

We cannot build a Utopia, whether you are left, right, or in the middle.

We are imperfect beings. It is impossible for imperfect beings to construct a perfect, place or state, even in our own minds.

edit on 26-3-2023 by NightSkyeB4Dawn because: Damn I hate mobile posting and auto correct.



posted on Mar, 26 2023 @ 12:07 AM
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originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Maybe give me a minute or two to take all that in.

Usually people do that before they bother to respond.


I'm sure I have some dumb response to give.

Gave.



posted on Mar, 26 2023 @ 12:11 AM
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edit on 26-3-2023 by ctccta787 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 26 2023 @ 12:26 AM
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a reply to: Allaroundyou

THere are because the whole thing is based on what the left says. They love you all while making it much, much easier for you to die. Every solution to every problem is inequity is not to lift up the group that is behind, but to tear down the groups that are ahead (except for the ones in power who are determining the faults to be equalized, of course). They want us all to live wonderful, happy lives, but they seek to accomplish this by ever restricting and tightening what we are to be allowed - less choice, less liberty, less of everything for everyone.

But we'll be happy, healthy, have all kinds of things and live in Utopia.

Yes, it's all contradictory because they tell you what you want to hear and believe while they do the opposite.



posted on Mar, 26 2023 @ 12:38 AM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Ok

So what was your point aside from trying to control other based on your beliefs?
All you have done is show how your tyrant want control.

Please do continue to try and dictate how others live their lives.
Maybe when you get s.art you will realize how controlling that is.



posted on Mar, 26 2023 @ 12:54 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Those most concerned with leftist ideologies are rightist, pretty telling as two how well defined your stance is, you kind of need the opposition to have legitimacy.



posted on Mar, 26 2023 @ 12:58 AM
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a reply to: Allaroundyou

Me?

I want to be left alone. You can live however you please. If all that sounds good to you, do it, but LEAVE ME OUT OF IT. The point is that the left won't. They won't march off to hell alone; they will compel me and everyone else to go right on along with them.

I don't give a flying rat's patootie what you do. You do what you do, but what you do is all on your little ol' lonesome over there. It stops when you start telling me I have to do, think, be certain ways in order for you to do you, and that's where the left rides off the rails. They make Utopia over lots of dead bodies ... always.



posted on Mar, 26 2023 @ 01:01 AM
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a reply to: Terpene

OK. That had to be the dumbest statement ever.

The left has opposition.

Let's for one second forget we labeled the divide left/right. One side has opposition. It just so happens that side is in power now. They have people who don't like what they want to do and don't want to be compelled to go along and live that way. The people in power were bound to give those in opposition a label to describe them. In this case, there are many labels that often end in -ist, not just "right". It's convenient to use a label to define your opposition.



posted on Mar, 26 2023 @ 01:23 AM
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Why leftist philosophies will never produce Utopia


This is easy….. a complete lack of common sense and foresight to the repercussions of their actions. They’re somewhat synonymous.😁



posted on Mar, 26 2023 @ 01:29 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder

Dead bodies line the path to the lefts utopia.

China and India farts...

We require 1 billion sacrifice from each.

Maintain populations below 500 million.

We're all planet eaters.

edit on 26-3-2023 by iamthevirus because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 26 2023 @ 02:20 AM
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a reply to: ChaoticOrder




Many intellectuals on the left speak of life extension technology or even immortality...

Really? Only on the left? Hilarious.




because we know socialism works so well

wiki
Scandavia, albeit on a smaller scale, is much happier, healthier and more concerned about the well-being of their citizens than the US. (Not saying perfect)
So yes, it actually totally does work.




Fertilizer

Is a double edged sword, because it seeps into the groundwater and a lot of the current products are under suspicion to be crazy cancerogenic.
You got to regulate that. But in a liberal, capitalistic country the pretty much only option to steer consumers is by customer choice, ie making buying it unattractive.





That's just how much they care about saving every human life they can. They tell us to drive less, eat less, shower less, buy less, go out less, don't warm your house so much, eat insects instead of meat, it goes on and on...

Or you can get creative, develop better ideas, work with on developing self-sustainable small communities and even save the world as happy byproduct.

Instead of just throwing a tantrum...



posted on Mar, 26 2023 @ 02:23 AM
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utopia means killing those who neither comply or believe to force compliance..

in effect its utopia for some but dystopia for everyone else..



posted on Mar, 26 2023 @ 02:23 AM
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The left will continue to rise in power. We will enter a 7 year period of the worst suffering on Earth soon, and a good portion is caused by the immorality, control and destruction inflicted by the left. They have bowed to principalities, powers, of the rulers of the darkness of this world, and spiritual wickedness in high places.

Im not so sure they even have a clue. They remind me of ants or grasshoppers that have a mind controlling fungus growing out of them. They have become the demons that inhabit them.



posted on Mar, 26 2023 @ 02:25 AM
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a reply to: Peeple

By that logic, so does an authoritarian dictatorship and unmitigated anarchy.

Size, scope and scale matter.



posted on Mar, 26 2023 @ 02:35 AM
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a reply to: JinMI

What? I guess 'working' depends on your intention.
I really don't know what about 'happy healthy sustainable self-sufficient communities' could be bad?
So I suggest you take your psychological (sexual?) need of being controlled and punished to your local Domina and keep it out of politics.
Because the goal in politics should always be justice, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
And authoritarianism is always the polar opposite of it.
No matter how you dress it up.



posted on Mar, 26 2023 @ 05:07 AM
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a reply to: Peeple


Really? Only on the left? Hilarious.

Sure I've heard people on the right discuss it, but 9 times out of 10 it's some leftist intellectuals, not that it's really the point. The point is, how can we maintain a sustainable population if people live forever? It's simply not possible unless we want to destroy the environment of Earth even further. They talk about the technology as if it will benefit all of humanity, but it will clearly be a technology reserved for the rich elite, I'd bet money on it.


Scandavia, albeit on a smaller scale, is much happier, healthier and more concerned about the well-being of their citizens than the US. (Not saying perfect)
So yes, it actually totally does work.

And I could easily list off a bunch of heavily socialist nations which have collapsed or are on the brink of complete collapse, but it doesn't necessarily prove I'm right does it? I'm not going to get into this debate because I've had it many times before and I always hear the exact same flawed arguments. However, what I will say is that over the last few years it has primarily been leftist politicians and their policies which have pushed up the cost of living significantly and caused hyperinflation in some nations. That was especially true throughout the pandemic, it seems they were trying to cripple the global economy and they did a pretty good job of it. But I guess it's fine because they were just trying to protect people since they care about so much about us... lmao. I will also quote something I posted last year:


originally posted by: ChaoticOrder

The way I see it, the most successful economies on Earth have embraced capitalism, and some of the most unsuccessful have rejected free-market philosophies in preference for socialism or communism. It's easy to blame capitalism for everything because it does have problems, and the US health system is particularly broken.

There are plenty of capitalist nations which have great health care systems, and they are mostly funded by tax payers. I think most people can agree that health care is one thing our taxes should fund because we all get sick. As I've said a million times before, some socialist policies can work very well when properly balanced with capitalism.

We have many social services that our taxes fund, and they benefit society immensely. The real problem is when we allow excessive socialist policies to undermine the foundations of capitalism. We cannot ignore free-market philosophies and assume socialism will create a utopia despite its countless failures throughout history.

Printing endless amounts of money will not solve inequality, it will only create massive inflation and make us all poorer in the long run, which is exactly what has happened throughout this pandemic due to astronomical levels of pandemic relief spending. Combine that with increased taxes to fund the nanny state and we are sucked dry.

In 3 years we will see the outcome of this leftist push to dismantle capitalism, but will their economic policies work in practice? Economics is a very complex thing and I've spent a long time studying what makes a prosperous society. I've written several threads over the years which explain many of these concepts in fairly simple terms.

The intrinsic necessity of capitalism
Why Free Market Capitalism Creates Prosperity
The Supremacy of Westernized Asian Nations
Why Increased Socialism Leads to Increased Prices
Why Excessive Socialism Doesn't Work
Flawed Logic of The Venus Project
Debunking Post Capitalism



Is a double edged sword, because it seeps into the groundwater and a lot of the current products are under suspicion to be crazy cancerogenic.

In the past I believe chemical runoff was an a big issue, but that was mostly related to pesticides. I'm pretty sure if these fertilizers which have been in use forever were that dangerous we would know it by now. Suspicion isn't enough to make a sudden change in how we do things. Why is all of this nonsense happening now at a time when supply chains are already under stress? Shouldn't politicians be listening to the needs of farmers if they really believe in maintaining our quality of life?
edit on 26/3/2023 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)




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