Progressive Deception

Im a Social Democrat who finds little use for the Democrats or Republicans, and Im confused as to how the progressive politicians keep pushing for woke everything ?
I would be extremely surprised if 5% of Democrats believe any of the woke s#it they pander to in their bases . The hogs share of the Democrat politicians send their kids to private schools , live in gated white communities & secretly would never hire a pink haired trans person for anything in their needs ?
So why do liberals believe the Democrats ?
Same on the conservative side , when conservative politicians say they see no colors or creeds in society.
The vast majority of Republican politicians would ever live in non-white neighborhoods & secretly would never hire a black person for any of their needs .

It is my observation/opinion that both parties are extremely racist , bigoted & white centric in their core foundations.
Republicans try to convince minorities that they have their best interests as do the Democrats . So in the end who is doing anything about our broken inner cities, homeless & broken education system ?
If Republicans create jobs & lower taxes that would seem like a good thing, yet they support deregulation of free markets as they bust Unions down . So you can have a job without proper benefits & a healthcare system that will take all your money by the end.

Then there are the Democrats who tax everyone into oblivion in order to pay for national healthcare & schooling . Yet what good are those if companies flee America for better tax havens.
We need simple & fair taxes for individuals as well corporations. I personally find it barbaric that a society has turned education & medical care into profit driven corporations that serve only the elite .

Why can’t Americans both conservative & progressive wake up to the horror that both parties do to us ?
What is wrong with a Scandinavian Social Democracy model for Americans ?
Heavy are the heads that pay for the crowns of our leaders .
We need real organized labor in most work sectors, heavy tax on foreign sold goods , national healthcare, free basic college educations , affordable private insurance as supplemental & individual Federal retirements that follow the person .
Thats it
Ideas welcome

a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Democratic Socialism is a Scam

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

It is my observation/opinion that both parties are extremely racist , bigoted & white centric in their core foundations.

So you are basically saying that all White people are racist? Please explain why one form of hate is acceptable as opposed to another?

Then there are the Democrats who tax everyone into oblivion in order to pay for national healthcare & schooling . Yet what good are those if companies flee America for better tax havens...

...We need real organized labor in most work sectors, heavy tax on foreign sold goods , national healthcare, free basic college educations , affordable private insurance as supplemental & individual Federal retirements that follow the person .

All those things you want can only be funded if the middle class pays more in taxes. How can you be against high taxes and then want things that require raising taxes?

Does not calling oneself a "Social Democrat" mean that you are for a one-party state similar to say Cuba? Is Cuba the model you want to follow? Shared poverty and state controlled everything?

I fully agreed with everything you said right until you mentioned unions.

I've had the displeasure of working with union members. Every one of them came off as entitled, untouchable, and insisted anything not written in their job description was beneath them. You could have two separate roles, and a union member will act if their job is the bee's knees and the other job is crap.

Maybe union benefits would significantly improve my life, but there is no way I want to work with that type of person.

originally posted by: Blaine91555

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

It is my observation/opinion that both parties are extremely racist , bigoted & white centric in their core foundations.

So you are basically saying that all White people are racist? Please explain why one form of hate is acceptable as opposed to another?

Then there are the Democrats who tax everyone into oblivion in order to pay for national healthcare & schooling . Yet what good are those if companies flee America for better tax havens...

...We need real organized labor in most work sectors, heavy tax on foreign sold goods , national healthcare, free basic college educations , affordable private insurance as supplemental & individual Federal retirements that follow the person .

All those things you want can only be funded if the middle class pays more in taxes. How can you be against high taxes and then want things that require raising taxes?

Does not calling oneself a "Social Democrat" mean that you are for a one-party state similar to say Cuba? Is Cuba the model you want to follow? Shared poverty and state controlled everything?

Im not hating, I believe that racism is natural to animals & social Democracy is the only way to level it .
Most blacks don’t want to live with whites .
It’s your all or nothing mentality that fouls your thinking. Reality is harsh , but hypocritical when everyone says the opposite , but means something else. We are all racist .

originally posted by: Jason79
I fully agreed with everything you said right until you mentioned unions.

I've had the displeasure of working with union members. Every one of them came off as entitled, untouchable, and insisted anything not written in their job description was beneath them. You could have two separate roles, and a union member will act if their job is the bee's knees and the other job is crap.

Maybe union benefits would significantly improve my life, but there is no way I want to work with that type of person.

Unions belong in the private skills based trades or manufacturing. Trades unions invest heavily in internal education & there should be pride involved. Union trades are light years ahead in abilities & numbers of qualified people they can produce overnight to any job in America.
Union vs Non pay is very close , but Union benefits is were the quality of life is 720 degrees better .
If everyone was Union , your problem of arrogance would disappear. Further more , do you realize that arrogance exists within the Union members amongst each other as well .
Ego is served on any vulnerable person no matter their lot in life .
Non-union guy’s believe they are better as well .
Sorry you had a bad experience , but Union labor benefits the middle class in spades . Almost every corporate CEO & investment board hates Unions which by default should tell you just how important Unions are needed by the average worker in America.
The 50s-80s saw a 25-40% Union membership in America & that is the America all the boomers /Gen X pine for in “ Make America Great Again “
Union membership is single digits now in America.
Reagan was the worst President ever with Biden a close second & closing in on taking the top slot .

originally posted by: Jason79
I fully agreed with everything you said right until you mentioned unions.

I've had the displeasure of working with union members. Every one of them came off as entitled, untouchable, and insisted anything not written in their job description was beneath them. You could have two separate roles, and a union member will act if their job is the bee's knees and the other job is crap.

Maybe union benefits would significantly improve my life, but there is no way I want to work with that type of person.

The reason Unions don’t work or touch anything outside of their jurisdiction is for safety & integrity as well more pay for all skill bases .
Not everyone can make xray welds or machine rocket fuel intakes , so there will always be a need for a floor sweeper & truck driver .
That is how a floor sweeper can make a living wage & benefits based on a lesser skill or knowledge level.
If the machinist or welder hauled material & cleaned up afterwards, what would the less talented people in society do .
My father has a learning disability, but as a union labor from the 70s through early 2000s he was able to provide a home , insurance & a few extras for our family on one wage . He also secured a decent pension for he & my mother.
We all can’t run a bank or be a xray welder , but the world needs bricks & dirt moved daily.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Democratic Socialism is a Scam

Germany & the Scandinavians have had the highest standards of living on planet Earth for over 60 yrs now . Want to guess how they achieved that ?
The EU drug them down a bit , due to non-hacker countries in Europe that don’t cary their weight.
I live within one hour of two large US cities & there is zero light rail to get to either of them ?
American individualism will cost you everything in the end .

Why does every alternative idea for the the US involve some variation of feudalism as a solution?

If I have lemons, sugar and water…why can’t I make and sell fresh squeezed lemonade in competition to your government endorsed, mass produced lemonade factory that uses natural and artificial flavors in the underwhelming lemonade like canned product?

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: Jason79
I fully agreed with everything you said right until you mentioned unions.

I've had the displeasure of working with union members. Every one of them came off as entitled, untouchable, and insisted anything not written in their job description was beneath them. You could have two separate roles, and a union member will act if their job is the bee's knees and the other job is crap.

Maybe union benefits would significantly improve my life, but there is no way I want to work with that type of person.

The reason Unions don’t work or touch anything outside of their jurisdiction is for safety & integrity as well more pay for all skill bases .
Not everyone can make xray welds or machine rocket fuel intakes , so there will always be a need for a floor sweeper & truck driver .
That is how a floor sweeper can make a living wage & benefits based on a lesser skill or knowledge level.
If the machinist or welder hauled material & cleaned up afterwards, what would the less talented people in society do .
My father has a learning disability, but as a union labor from the 70s through early 2000s he was able to provide a home , insurance & a few extras for our family on one wage . He also secured a decent pension for he & my mother.
We all can’t run a bank or be a xray welder , but the world needs bricks & dirt moved daily.

We have a floor cleaning robot at my place of employment. It eliminated a full time job. Now janitorial is just a part time bathroom cleaner because the robot washes and mops the floors. If it gets stuck an app notifies someone and they can just click a button on the app to reset and restart it. It is programmed with a path and it just does it's thing.

I am glad you seem at least to see that all of politics is the same thing. Globalism controlled by elites. The other things I don't agree with so much. Editing to add that taxing me more to pay for more public transportation or as you mention in another comment "light rail" is just never going to fly. I like to drive. I have problems with mass transit because I really don't like being around other people. Outside of going to work I do basically nothing and would rather walk somewhere than take a mass transport with a bunch of unknown people anywhere.

I was thinking about Denmark the other day..No thanks..their corrections system is their crown jewel..because everything is legal and taxed coming and going..glossed over communism, just a bit shinier..communism would actually be preferable…sarcasm..some

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Democratic Socialism is a Scam

Germany & the Scandinavians have had the highest standards of living on planet Earth for over 60 yrs now . Want to guess how they achieved that ?
The EU drug them down a bit , due to non-hacker countries in Europe that don’t cary their weight.
I live within one hour of two large US cities & there is zero light rail to get to either of them ?
American individualism will cost you everything in the end .

Oh my that is funny.

Yes, I can tell you how they achieved that... Look at their DEFENSE BUDGET to GDP.

Need I say a single thing more?

Hint, Who pays the bills, the US TAXPAYER pays that bill. If we didn't spend trillions on defending the world and giving other nations Billions and Trillions, We Could Have Nice Things Too.

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: SecrettoSociety

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Democratic Socialism is a Scam

Germany & the Scandinavians have had the highest standards of living on planet Earth for over 60 yrs now . Want to guess how they achieved that ?
The EU drug them down a bit , due to non-hacker countries in Europe that don’t cary their weight.
I live within one hour of two large US cities & there is zero light rail to get to either of them ?
American individualism will cost you everything in the end .

Oh my that is funny.

Yes, I can tell you how they achieved that... Look at their DEFENSE BUDGET to GDP.

Need I say a single thing more?

Hint, Who pays the bills, the US TAXPAYER pays that bill. If we didn't spend trillions on defending the world and giving other nations Billions and Trillions, We Could Have Nice Things Too.

We love paying the bill for defence of Europe , Japan & Canada , because the money generated via the Defence/Space Industrial Complexes is gigantic in it’s impact on our financial systems.
If America quit defending the world our economy would collapse overnight.
Do you have the space to comprehend the amount of money invested in the top Defence & Space ETFs ?
The money we spend to defend Europe does not come close to the worker’s salaries & Defence ETFs cash generating stimulus to our American GDP/Market .
Checkmate !

a reply to: Blaine91555

Does not calling oneself a "Social Democrat" mean that you are for a one-party state similar to say Cuba? Is Cuba the model you want to follow? Shared poverty and state controlled everything?

i mean the Canadian Castreau is trying real hard to be like Daddy Fidel

a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Do you have the space to comprehend the amount of money invested in the top Defence & Space ETFs

Uuuuhhhh, that's a deep one.



Deep Space Nein?

a reply to: SecrettoSociety
I agree that both parties are crap.
I myself am a Constitutional Conservative and I agree with many things you say.
There is one thing that strikes me as curious though. You do understand that white liberals, in general, are the most racist people in America, right?
They look at the black community and feel sorrow.
They believe that these folks can't make it on their own, so they need help.
They don't believe they are smart enough to figure out the most basic things.
So they pass laws and policies to "help" those they deem less than able.
What have these laws done for them?
Liberals and the media have ruined many black lives and continue to do so.

All the black community, or any other race in America, needs is to be treated fairly and left the hell alone.

a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Actually no we are not all racist. No doubt we all have our flaws and learned forms of bigotry, but assuming all of any ethnicity are in fact racist is in itself a form of bigotry, or hate if you prefer. This entire idea that all White people are racists just because they are White is nothing but hate that is doing a lot of harm.

It might be helpful if you defined what you personally mean by "Social Democrat". What are your core beliefs?

Most blacks don’t want to live with whites.

You're parroting a minority within a minority and that's utter nonsense. You must not know or have many people not of your ethnicity among your peers to think that.

originally posted by: Quadrivium
a reply to: SecrettoSociety
I agree that both parties are crap.
I myself am a Constitutional Conservative and I agree with many things you say.
There is one thing that strikes me as curious though. You do understand that white liberals, in general, are the most racist people in America, right?
They look at the black community and feel sorrow.
They believe that these folks can't make it on their own, so they need help.
They don't believe they are smart enough to figure out the most basic things.
So they pass laws and policies to "help" those they deem less than able.
What have these laws done for them?
Liberals and the media have ruined many black lives and continue to do so.

All the black community, or any other race in America, needs is to be treated fairly and left the hell alone.

True to most aspects of society. Liberals make victims & conservatives create a King mentality.

originally posted by: Insurrectile
a reply to: SecrettoSociety

Do you have the space to comprehend the amount of money invested in the top Defence & Space ETFs

Uuuuhhhh, that's a deep one.

Deep Space Nein?

Lol

To put it very simple the liberal media and the woke left drive the narrative that every conservative is a dozen slur labels while allowing an extremely small percentage of extremism to run their party while suggesting they are the majority. This is why even you on the true far left is confused.

BTW what is a social democrat...lol socialism and communism have the same economic system that fails time and time again. It also ends up creating extreme poverty for the masses with no way out for everyone but a very small percentage of the haves.