Olive Branches

a reply to: JinMI

What's your point? What have mirrors got to do with this?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: LSU2018
Anyways, looks like the house was the neighbors house originally and he never officially gave the okay for the current resident to dwell in it.

Which part?

The part about the house that belonged to the neighbor who broke in.

More importantly, Putin seems to love taking back a country when there's a weak administration in the White House.

originally posted by: LSU2018
The part about the house that belonged to the neighbor who broke in.

Except it didn't belong to the neighbor who broke in. It was ceded 60 years before Putin took over and reaffirmed via treaty 10 years before he took over.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus


I've never stood on Putins side. My interests are to have the US out of it.

I feel the same way. Neither country is worth starting WWIII over. Zelenskyy wants us all to start WWIII so he can push back against Russia, no thanks.

But, in this day and age, if you don't put 100% support towards Ukraine then you're a Russian apologist.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yes. Perhaps Britain should invade America because it used to be ours and the people there mostly are English speaking (sort of) and it has some Nazis?

Surely, we would be welcomed as liberators? No?

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

We do? I don't see a quote in your source from Gorbachev contradicting the one I posted. Please post it now if you have one.

To understand Russia’s claims of betrayal, it is necessary to review the reassurances then US secretary of state James A. Baker made to former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev during a meeting on February 9, 1990. In a discussion on the status of a reunited Germany, the two men agreed that NATO would not extend past the territory of East Germany, a promise repeated by NATO’s secretary general in a speech on May 17 that same year in Brussels.

Their elections are their elections, not Russia's business. You keep shifting the goal posts and it's not a good look. Unless Ukraine flat out attacked Russia, which it did not, they were not in violation of the Budapest Memorandum in any way.

It's shifting goalposts to show where the US 'meddled' in Ukraines elections? When in contrast to respecting their independence and sovereignity?

Na, its not.

If you want to use this analogy I think these neighbors are related in some way, possibly by marriage (hence the third party involvement CPS?), and someone from the invading neighbors family was occupying a bedroom in your house and you were not treating him very well. To get a neighborhood dispute to fit the situation in Ukraine would require some pretty unique circumstances. I don't think the neighbor enters the house in the most similar situation, more likely something related to land use. Overall not really a valid thing to compare it to. a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: LSU2018
The part about the house that belonged to the neighbor who broke in.

Except it didn't belong to the neighbor who broke in. It was ceded 60 years before Putin took over and reaffirmed via treaty 10 years before he took over.

Neither of which involve the US.

I hate that Ukraine is having to defend themselves from Russians, but it's none of our business. I understand you have familial ties with Ukraine so I understand your angst with the whole situation. Still, we've spent way too much money and given way too much attention and time to Ukraine and Russia when we have our own problems here that are getting worse by the day.

a reply to: LSU2018

Depends on your posting history, I guess. Plenty of Zelensky hating actual Putin supporters on here. Not aimed at you or Jinmi, for clarity.

a reply to: JinMI

That's not a quote from Mikhail Gorbachev. That's a misrepresentation of the one I posted earlier referring to expansion in the former GDR. As a matter of fact, there isn't one quote by him in your entire source.

If you're going to claim you have a quote by someone, make sure it has their name affixed.

It's shifting goalposts to show where the US 'meddled' in Ukraines elections? When in contrast to respecting their independence and sovereignity?

Na, its not.

It is if you're going to used it as some half-assed reason for Russia to invade. But you're not going to do that, are you?

originally posted by: LSU2018
Neither of which involve the US.

As a signatory to the Budapest Memorandum, it does involve the United States.

originally posted by: bounder
If you want to use this analogy I think these neighbors are related in some way, possibly by marriage (hence the third party involvement CPS?), and someone from the invading neighbors family was occupying a bedroom in your house and you were not treating him very well. To get a neighborhood dispute to fit the situation in Ukraine would require some pretty unique circumstances. I don't think the neighbor enters the house in the most similar situation, more likely something related to land use. Overall not really a valid thing to compare it to.

So if your estranged cousin broke into your house you'd be cool with it? Nah, I didn't think so. Try again.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

That's not a quote from Mikhail Gorbachev. That's a misrepresentation of the one I posted earlier referring to expansion in the former GDR. As a matter of fact, there isn't one quote by him in your entire source.

If you're going to claim you have a quote by someone, make sure it has their name affixed.

So we have the state dept and NATO saying he said it, and that it only applies to Germany but...he didnt say it.....

It is if you're going to used it as some half-assed reason for Russia to invade. But you're not going to do that, are you?

My reasons aren't on the table. I'm not at war.

You wouldn't be trying to pigeon hole me into being a russian supporter now would you?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yes. Perhaps Britain should invade America because it used to be ours and the people there mostly are English speaking (sort of) and it has some Nazis?

How many times have y'all tried that and failed...

a reply to: LSU2018

I was joking? Note smiley winky face.

originally posted by: LSU2018

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yes. Perhaps Britain should invade America because it used to be ours and the people there mostly are English speaking (sort of) and it has some Nazis?

How many times have y'all tried that and failed...

The smell of smoke in Washington DC.

originally posted by: JinMI
So we have the state dept and NATO saying he said it, and that it only applies to Germany but...he didnt say it.....

Actually, no. You don't have anyone from the State Department in that source saying this. You have someone named Amelie Zima and someone else named Olivier Kempf claiming this. Not Bakker and certainly not Gorbachev. Stop misattributing quotes from other people to someone who is not even quoted in your source.

You wouldn't be trying to pigeon hole me into being a russian supporter now would you?

Frankly you've changed your position in this thread several times, without even having the courtesy to answer my initial point, so it's not clear what you are besides wishy washy.

a reply to: JinMI

It would be a great political coup for China to broker a cease-fire deal where biden failed to do so. They could further the damage by portraying biden as a war monger for his actions to incite Ukraine to take the steps that led to the invasion by Russia. On the world stage, that would be a great move for China that would slap the ice cream right out of jo jo's mouth.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Let's see, eh?

Meanwhile, enjoy your dream.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: LSU2018

Depends on your posting history, I guess. Plenty of Zelensky hating actual Putin supporters on here. Not aimed at you or Jinmi, for clarity.

I'm not for either party, I haven't been since it kicked off. I think it's their problem and business and we should have no involvement in it. Nobody got involved in our Civil War or Mexican-American War besides Indians (Civil War) and Mexicans (Mexican-American War). During the American Revolution, we had 13 colonies, with a little help from France and the Dutch, fighting off the British, Loyalists, Iroquois, Cherokee, and the German Auxiliary.